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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: vung
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Sat Sep 30 04:26:00 2017
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 13:10:04 -0400
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On 9/29/2017 12:25 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:
> Here's a question: Since the implied subject of weather words is
> usually *muD* (or sometimes maybe *chal* for precipitation and the
> like), how would you all interpret *vungwI'*?
> Would you read it as the noun "hurricane", as in the part of the
> atmosphere that's hurricaning, considered as a single system? (So you
> could perhaps say something like */Florida/Daq ghoSlI' 'Irma' vungwI'*
> /"Hurricane Irma is approaching Florida"/, with the assumption that
> "hurricane" is treated like a rank or title.)
> Or would it be taken to mean something less specific or useful, like
> "the atmosphere as a whole, which happens to be hurricaning
> somewhere", assuming it means anything at all?
Okrand has famously been coy about what the subject of the weather verbs
is. Sometimes it's *muD,* but only in the way a meteorologist would
explain the science behind it. Generally they're used without
subjects—not that they use indefinite subjects, though. You're supposed
to "just know" what the subject is.
I wouldn't assume that *vungwI'* is the noun form of /hurricane/ any
more than I would assume that *SISwI'* is the noun form of /rain./
Instead of trying to turn it into a noun, use it as a subjectless verb.
*tugh */Florida/*Daq vung; ghoSlI' */Irma./
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/29/2017 12:25 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:<br>
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<div>Here's a question: Since the implied subject of weather words
is usually <b>muD</b> (or sometimes maybe <b>chal</b> for
precipitation and the like), how would you all interpret <b>vungwI'</b>?
<br>
</div>
<div>Would you read it as the noun "hurricane", as in the part of
the atmosphere that's hurricaning, considered as a single
system? (So you could perhaps say something like <b><i>Florida</i>Daq
ghoSlI' 'Irma' vungwI'</b> <i>"Hurricane Irma is approaching
Florida"</i>, with the assumption that "hurricane" is treated
like a rank or title.)<br>
</div>
<div>Or would it be taken to mean something less specific or
useful, like "the atmosphere as a whole, which happens to be
hurricaning somewhere", assuming it means anything at all?</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Okrand has famously been coy about what the subject of the
weather verbs is. Sometimes it's <b>muD,</b> but only in the way
a meteorologist would explain the science behind it. Generally
they're used without subjects—not that they use indefinite
subjects, though. You're supposed to "just know" what the subject
is.</p>
<p>I wouldn't assume that <b>vungwI'</b> is the noun form of <i>hurricane</i>
any more than I would assume that <b>SISwI'</b> is the noun form
of <i>rain.</i> Instead of trying to turn it into a noun, use it
as a subjectless verb.</p>
<p><b>tugh </b><i>Florida</i><b>Daq vung; ghoSlI' </b><i>Irma.</i><br>
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