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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing Anno Domini
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Sat Sep 23 03:36:55 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 20:30:33 +0300
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Another interesting question which came to mind is the following..
Do we always need to say {tera' DIS wa'-wa'-pagh-pagh} for "1100" (c.e. or
b.c.e.), or can we say too {tera' DIS wa' SaD wa' vatlh} ?
qunnoq
On Sep 22, 2017 8:23 PM, "qurgh lungqIj" <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
> I think this is the same as in English. If I say "It happened in the year
> 300" no one knows if I mean CE or BCE, but they assume I mean CE.
>
> If we had an easy way to talk about negative numbers, then I'd use that
> for BCE.
>
> I don't know if I'd get "100 BCE" from {wa' vatlh DIS qaSpa' tera' DIS
> pagh} if we hadn't had had this conversation first (or there was more
> context included). Maybe {tera' DIS wa'-pagh-pagh qaSpa' tera' DIS pagh,
> jagh luHIv} - "Terran year 100, before Terran year 0 happened, they
> attacked the enemy.", but that still feels clunky to me. There's got to be
> a better way to say it.
>
> Maybe {tera' DIS wa'-pagh-pagh qaSpa' bov motlh, jagh luHIv} - "Terran
> year 100, before the usual era happened, they attacked the enemy". I'm not
> a fan of that either really.
>
> qurgh
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:00 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> qurgh:
>> > I mostly use {tera' DIS} when talking about current Earth time
>>
>> Initially, I thought of using the {tera' DIS}; but the problem is that if
>> I say {tera' DIS wa' vatlh}, then how would someone know if I mean "100
>> c.e." and not "100 b.c.e." ?
>>
>> Now that I think of it again, perhaps we could say something like {wa'
>> vatlh DIS qaSpa' tera' DIS pagh} for "100 years b.c.e.", and {wa' vatlh DIS
>> qaSpu'DI' tera' DIS pagh} for "100 years c.e."
>>
>> But the problem is, are the above understood by the average reader ? If
>> you read these, would you understand what I'm trying to say ?
>>
>> qunnoq
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2017 7:48 PM, "qurgh lungqIj" <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
>>
>>> tera' DIS... ;)
>>>
>>> I use "CE" instead of "AD". That could be {bov motlh}, but I mostly use
>>> {tera' DIS} when talking about current Earth time.
>>>
>>> qurgh
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:44 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can someone tell me how to say in klingon "Anno Domini" ?
>>>>
>>>> I know we can say {qeylIS bov nubwI'} for "before the era of qeylIS".
>>>> So initially I thought of saying {christ bov cho'wI'}.
>>>>
>>>> But then I realized that the verb {cho'} means "to succeed to
>>>> authority", and not "to succeed (in general)".
>>>>
>>>> So, I came up with {christ bov bov veb} for "the next era of the era of
>>>> christ".
>>>>
>>>> I think this is correct, but again I'm not certain..
>>>>
>>>> Would you understand it if you saw it, without knowing the intended
>>>> meaning ? Can you think of something better ? And if you can, can you tell
>>>> me too ?
>>>>
>>>> qunnoq
>>>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Another interesting question which came to mind is the fo=
llowing..<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Do we always need to=
say {tera' DIS wa'-wa'-pagh-pagh} for "1100" (c.e. o=
r b.c.e.), or can we say too {tera' DIS wa' SaD wa' vatlh} ?</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">qunnoq</div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 22, 2017 8:23 PM, =
"qurgh lungqIj" <<a href=3D"mailto:qurgh@wizage.net">qurgh@wiz=
age.net</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><div dir=3D"ltr">I think this is the same as in English. If I say "=
It happened in the year 300" no one knows if I mean CE or BCE, but the=
y assume I mean CE.=C2=A0<br><br>If we had an easy way to talk about negati=
ve numbers, then I'd use that for BCE.<br><br>I don't know if I'=
;d get "100 BCE" from {<span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font=
-size:13.696px">wa' vatlh DIS qaSpa' tera' DIS pagh</span><font=
face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">} if we hadn't =
had had this conversation first (or there was more context included). Maybe=
{tera' DIS wa'-pagh-pagh qaSpa' tera' DIS pagh, jagh luHIv=
} - "Terran year 100, before Terran=C2=A0year 0 happened, they attacke=
d the enemy.", but that still feels clunky to me. There's got to b=
e a better way to say it.=C2=A0<br><br>Maybe {tera' DIS wa'-pagh-pa=
gh qaSpa' bov motlh, jagh luHIv} - "Terran year 100, before the us=
ual era happened, they attacked the enemy". I'm not a fan of that =
either really.=C2=A0<br></span></font><div><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face=3D"san=
s-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">qurgh<br></span></font><br><br>=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fr=
i, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:00 PM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D=
"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></spa=
n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">qurgh:</span><span><div dir=
=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> I =
mostly use {tera' DIS} when talking about current Earth time</span></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696p=
x"><br></span></div></span><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;font-size:13.696px">Initially, I thought of using the {tera' DI=
S}; but the problem is that if I say {tera' DIS wa' vatlh}, then ho=
w would someone know if I mean "100 c.e." and not "100 b.c.e=
." ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-ser=
if;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Now that I think of it again, perh=
aps we could say something like {wa' vatlh DIS qaSpa' tera' DIS=
pagh} for "100 years b.c.e.", and {wa' vatlh DIS qaSpu'D=
I' tera' DIS pagh} for "100 years c.e."</span></div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br>=
</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:13.696px">But the problem is, are the above understood by the averag=
e reader ? If you read these, would you understand what I'm trying to s=
ay ?</span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br></span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font=
face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</span></font=
></div></div><div class=3D"m_-3829226426583918603HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_-3=
829226426583918603h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On Sep 22, 2017 7:48 PM, "qurgh lungqIj" <<a href=3D"mail=
to:qurgh@wizage.net" target=3D"_blank">qurgh@wizage.net</a>> wrote:<br t=
ype=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">tera=
9; DIS... ;)<br><br>I use "CE" instead of "AD". That co=
uld be {bov motlh}, but I mostly use {tera' DIS} when talking about cur=
rent Earth time.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>qurgh</div></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:44 PM,=
mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Can someone tell me how to say in klingo=
n "Anno Domini" ?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I =
know we can say {qeylIS bov nubwI'} for "before the era of qeylIS&=
quot;. So initially I thought of saying {christ bov cho'wI'}.</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">But then I realized that the =
verb {cho'} means "to succeed to authority", and not "to=
succeed (in general)".</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">So, I came up with {christ bov bov veb} for "the next era of the =
era of christ".</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I t=
hink this is correct, but again I'm not certain..</div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Would you understand it if you saw it, withou=
t knowing the intended meaning ? Can you think of something better ? And if=
you can, can you tell me too ?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">qunnoq</div></div>
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