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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Making someone do something to someone/something
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Wed Sep 20 04:31:45 2017
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 11:35:28 -0400
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On 9/18/2017 11:13 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> Aurelie Demonchaux:
> > yaSvaD qama'vaD taj nobmoH HoD
>
> If I saw this sentence without knowing the intented meaning, chances
> are I would understand, that the {yaSvaD} and {qama'vaD} are nouns in
> apposition.
>
> So, I would eventually understand, that "the captain gave the knife
> for the officer and the prisoner".
I agree that apposition might be a strong interpretation, but the
translation would be this: /the captain makes the officer, the prisoner,
give the knife./ Apposition means the two noun phrases are equated with
each other. They are not conjoined with an /and./ Here, with apposition,
the officer is a prisoner.
If the captain made two separate people, an officer and a prisoner, give
knives, the sentence would be *yaSvaD qama'vaD je taj nobmoH HoD.*
By the way, watch out with your translation. The captain doesn't give
the knife to an officer or a prisoner, he makes them give knives to
someone unspecified or general.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/18/2017 11:13 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAP7F2cJAi8P8EFSPX+SeT2v0oB7x2RT-L6DLu6m7GdYFJH+Y+A@mail.gmail.com"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Aurelie
Demonchaux:</span>
<div dir="auto"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">>
yaSvaD qama'vaD taj nobmoH HoD</span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">If
I saw this sentence without knowing the intented meaning,
chances are I would understand, that the {yaSvaD} and
{qama'vaD} are nouns in apposition.</span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="auto"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:13.696px">So, I would eventually
understand, that "the captain gave the knife for the officer
and the prisoner".</span></font></div>
</blockquote>
<p>I agree that apposition might be a strong interpretation, but the
translation would be this: <i>the captain makes the officer, the
prisoner, give the knife.</i> Apposition means the two noun
phrases are equated with each other. They are not conjoined with
an <i>and.</i> Here, with apposition, the officer is a prisoner.</p>
<p>If the captain made two separate people, an officer and a
prisoner, give knives, the sentence would be <b>yaSvaD qama'vaD
je taj nobmoH HoD.</b></p>
<p>By the way, watch out with your translation. The captain doesn't
give the knife to an officer or a prisoner, he makes them give
knives to someone unspecified or general.<br>
</p>
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