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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Making someone do something to someone/something
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Tue Sep 19 02:31:28 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 18:13:11 +0300
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Aurelie Demonchaux:
> yaSvaD qama'vaD taj nobmoH HoD
If I saw this sentence without knowing the intented meaning, chances are I
would understand, that the {yaSvaD} and {qama'vaD} are nouns in apposition.
So, I would eventually understand, that "the captain gave the knife for the
officer and the prisoner".
qunnoq
On Sep 18, 2017 16:31, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 9/18/2017 4:47 AM, Aur=C3=A9lie Demonchaux wrote:
>
> So as I understand the most correct way in those cases can be summarized
> as below:
>
> < Subject 1> causes <Subject 2> to <verb> <direct object>
> becomes
> < Subject 2>-vaD <direct object> <verb>-moH < Subject 1>
>
> Don't say Subject 1 and Subject 2. You'll just drive yourself crazy. Ther=
e
> is only one subject, and it is the word at the end. Semantics is much mor=
e
> important than syntax here. Say something like this instead: causer,
> causee, and patient (thing acted upon).
>
> <causer> causes <causee> to <verb> <patient>
> <causee>vaD <patient> <verb>moH <causer>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13.696px">Aurelie Demonchaux:</span><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D=
"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> yaSvaD qam=
a'vaD taj nobmoH HoD</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-=
family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div=
dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13.696px">If I saw this sentence without knowing the intented meaning, c=
hances are I would understand, that the {yaSvaD} and {qama'vaD} are nou=
ns in apposition.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size=
:13.696px">So, I would eventually understand, that "the captain gave t=
he knife for the officer and the prisoner".</span></font></div><div di=
r=3D"auto"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-=
size:13.696px"><br></span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"aria=
l, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</span><=
/font></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Sep 18, 2017 16:31, "SuStel" <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@tri=
mboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=3D"m_-5539165591957061717moz-cite-prefix">On 9/18/2017 4:47 =
AM, Aur=C3=A9lie
Demonchaux wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">So as I understand the most correct way in those
cases can be summarized as below:</font></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">< Subject 1> causes <Subject 2> to
<verb> <direct object></font></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">becomes</font></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">< Subject 2>-vaD <direct object>
<verb>-moH < Subject 1></font></div>
</blockquote>
<p>Don't say Subject 1 and Subject 2. You'll just drive yoursel=
f
crazy. There is only one subject, and it is the word at the end.
Semantics is much more important than syntax here. Say something
like this instead: causer, causee, and patient (thing acted upon).<br=
>
</p>
<p><causer> causes <causee> to <verb>
<patient><br>
<causee>vaD <patient> <verb>moH <causer><br>
</p>
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