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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Spoils of war
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Sat Sep 16 04:42:30 2017
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 11:53:23 -0400
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On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:36 AM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 9/14/2017 11:27 AM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:14 AM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>
>> On 9/14/2017 11:01 AM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:
>>
>>> Remember that Klingons conquer. They take control of planets once they
>>> defeat the current owners of it. They then use the resources on that planet
>>> to build more ships etc. They don't care about taking the stuff that
>>> belongs to the locals.
>>>
>>
>> Let's not go making up new cultural details to justify not knowing a
>> word. Do Klingons never raid a place and take the stuff from it? Suppose
>> they raided a Cardassian base during the war with the Dominion. They didn't
>> stay to govern. Did they take nothing? What about Leskit from "Soldiers of
>> the Empire," who wore a necklace of Cardassian neck bones?
>
>
> So I made up the concept that Klingons conquer stuff?
>
> No, you made up the concept that Klingons don't care about taking the
> stuff that belongs to the locals.
>
Based on Star Trek canon that we have seen so far, they generally don't.
I'm not making anything up, simply relaying what we know based on what's
been shown that may help explain why "spoils of war" may not be a concept
that Klingons focus on enough to have a specific word for.
In "Once More Unto the Breach" they do a "cavalry raid" against the
Dominion and attack without taking anything.
In "Errand of Mercy" when they conquer Organia but there's no evidence that
they take anything from the locals. They just want the planet due to it's
position.
If there's Trek canon that shows Klingons invading somewhere, and then
leaving with stuff, share it with us. As far as I recall I don't know any.
I'm trying to give qunnoq some show background that may help him look at
this from a in-universe point of view.
qurgh
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hu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:36 AM, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailt=
o:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></spa=
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<div class=3D"gmail-m_3476630140364036254moz-cite-prefix">On 9/14/2017 =
11:27 AM, qurgh lungqIj
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">On
Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:14 AM, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>=
></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"gmai=
l-m_3476630140364036254gmail-">On 9/14/2017 11:01 AM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:<=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Remember that Klingons conquer. They take control of planets
once they defeat the current owners of it. They then use the
resources on that planet to build more ships etc. They don'=
t
care about taking the stuff that belongs to the locals. <br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</span>
Let's not go making up new cultural details to justify not
knowing a word. Do Klingons never raid a place and take the
stuff from it? Suppose they raided a Cardassian base during the
war with the Dominion. They didn't stay to govern. Did they tak=
e
nothing? What about Leskit from "Soldiers of the Empire,"=
who
wore a necklace of Cardassian neck bones?</blockquote>
<div><br>
So I made up the concept that Klingons conquer stuff?=C2=A0</div>
</blockquote>
</span><p>No, you made up the concept that Klingons don't care abou=
t taking
the stuff that belongs to the locals.</p></div></blockquote><div>Base=
d on Star Trek canon that we have seen so far, they generally don't. I&=
#39;m not making anything up, simply relaying what we know based on what=
9;s been shown that may help explain why "spoils of war" may not =
be a concept that Klingons focus on enough to have a specific word for.=C2=
=A0<br><br>In "Once More Unto the Breach" they do a "cavalry=
raid" against the Dominion and attack without taking anything.<br><br=
>In "Errand of Mercy" when they conquer=C2=A0Organia but there=
9;s no evidence that they take anything from the locals. They just want the=
planet due to it's position.<br><br>If there's Trek canon that sho=
ws Klingons invading somewhere, and then leaving with stuff, share it with =
us. As far as I recall I don't know any.<br><br>I'm trying to give =
qunnoq some show background that may help him look at this from a in-univer=
se point of view.=C2=A0<br><br>qurgh<br><br></div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>
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