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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] qaStaHvIS ram timestamp
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Mon Sep 11 02:51:25 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:06:00 +0300
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nIqolay Q:
> {qaStaHvIS ram juHDaq maHaD maH vIghro' je}
> {juHDaq maHaD maH vIghro' je qaStaHvIS ram}
I understand these two; but could we write too {juHDaq qaStaHvIS ram maHaD
maH vIghro' je} ?
qunnoq
On Sep 10, 2017 21:58, "nIqolay Q" <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 8:44 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The {ram} "night", used in the following way is a timestamp:
>>
>> {ram, leghchuq maH vIghro' je}
>> at night, we and the cat will see each other
>>
>> Is the {qaStaHvIS ram} a timestamp too ?
>>
>
> A timestamp is a noun or noun phrase that says when something happens.
> {qaStaHvIS ram} is not a timestamp, it is a subordinate clause. It has a
> verb, and behaves like any other subordinate clause. The rules don't change
> just because this particular subordinate clause also specifies when
> something happens.
>
> But the question is, whether the {qaStaHvIS ram} is indeed a timestamp,
>> because if it isn't, then it necessarily needs to follow the {juHDaq}.
>>
>
> How do you figure? {qaStaHvIS ram} isn't a timestamp, it's a clause. Like
> with all clauses, your options are to put it either before or after the
> main sentence:
>
> {qaStaHvIS ram juHDaq maHaD maH vIghro' je}
>
> and
>
> {juHDaq maHaD maH vIghro' je qaStaHvIS ram}
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px" =
dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">nIqolay Q:</span></div><div=
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px" dir=3D"auto"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:13.696px">> {qaStaHvIS ram juHDaq maHaD maH vIghro' =
je}</span><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px=
" dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">> {juHDaq maHaD maH vI=
ghro' je qaStaHvIS ram}</span></div><div style=3D"font-family:sans-seri=
f;font-size:13.696px" dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br><=
/span></div><div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px" dir=3D=
"auto">I understand these two; but could we write too {j<span style=3D"font=
-size:13.696px">uHDaq qaStaHvIS ram maHaD maH vIghro' je} ?</span></div=
><div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px" dir=3D"auto"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;font-size:13.696px" dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696p=
x">qunnoq</span></div><div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696=
px" dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 10, 2017 2=
1:58, "nIqolay Q" <<a href=3D"mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com">niqol=
ay0@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 8:44 AM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><=
<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a=
>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">The {ram} "night", used in the following way is a=
timestamp:<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">{ram, leghchuq maH=
vIghro' je}</div><div dir=3D"auto">at night, we and the cat will see e=
ach other</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Is the {qaStaH=
vIS ram} a timestamp too ?<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
A timestamp is a noun or noun phrase that says when something happens. {qaS=
taHvIS ram} is not a timestamp, it is a subordinate clause. It has a verb, =
and behaves like any other subordinate clause. The rules don't change j=
ust because this particular subordinate clause also specifies when somethin=
g happens.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">But the=20
question is, whether the {qaStaHvIS ram} is indeed a timestamp, because=20
if it isn't, then it necessarily needs to follow the {juHDaq}.</div></b=
lockquote><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div>How do you figure? {qaStaHvIS ra=
m} isn't a timestamp, it's a clause. Like with all clauses, your op=
tions are to put it either before or after the main sentence:</div><div><br=
></div><div>{qaStaHvIS ram juHDaq maHaD maH vIghro' je}</div><div><br><=
/div><div>and</div><div><br></div><div>{juHDaq maHaD maH vIghro' je qaS=
taHvIS ram}</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div></div></div></div>
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