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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] vengDaq, vengmeyDaq je
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Sun Sep 10 04:51:21 2017
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On 9/9/2017 4:31 AM, Jeremy Silver wrote:
> On Friday, 8 September 2017 23:26:13 BST De'vID wrote:
>> On 6 September 2017 at 15:15, Jeremy Silver<jp.silver@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Still, on a related note, I've been having problems recently trying to
>>> figure out a reasonable way, with or without {ngIq}, to say "atom by atom
>>> [something happens]" and "cell by cell [something else happens]".
>> I presume this has to do with this DSC promo?
>> https://twitter.com/StarTrekNetflix/status/901134702622367748
>> "Atom by atom, they will silence us. Cell by cell, our souls shall
>> become theirs."
> Indeed, for this excercise I think I settled on this version (which omits
> ngIq) for the whole promo text. Even after re-reading mayqel's thread and this
> one a few times, I'm/still/ not clear how to use ngIq for my own purposes
> yet.
>
> {nughoStaH chaH.
> wa' HeySel ghIq latlh HeySel, nutammoH chaH.
> wa' HanDI' ghIq latlh HanDI', qa'chaj moj qa'maj.
> tlhIngan maHtaHmeH maghobnIS. potlhchu' meqvam.}
This doesn't work. *ghIq* is an adverbial; it attaches to sentences, not
nouns.
If you're sticking with formal grammar, you can't just stick the
translation of the phrase /atom by atom/ in front of *nutammoH.* You
could say *ngIq HeySelmaj tammoH* /they silence our atoms one by one./
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/9/2017 4:31 AM, Jeremy Silver
wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Friday, 8 September 2017 23:26:13 BST De'vID wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On 6 September 2017 at 15:15, Jeremy Silver <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jp.silver@tiscali.co.uk" moz-do-not-send="true"><jp.silver@tiscali.co.uk></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Still, on a related note, I've been having problems recently trying to
figure out a reasonable way, with or without {ngIq}, to say "atom by atom
[something happens]" and "cell by cell [something else happens]".
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">I presume this has to do with this DSC promo?
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/StarTrekNetflix/status/901134702622367748" moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/StarTrekNetflix/status/901134702622367748</a>
"Atom by atom, they will silence us. Cell by cell, our souls shall
become theirs."
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<pre wrap="">Indeed, for this excercise I think I settled on this version (which omits
ngIq) for the whole promo text. Even after re-reading mayqel's thread and this
one a few times, I'm <i class="moz-txt-slash"><span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>still<span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i> not clear how to use ngIq for my own purposes
yet.
{nughoStaH chaH.
wa' HeySel ghIq latlh HeySel, nutammoH chaH.
wa' HanDI' ghIq latlh HanDI', qa'chaj moj qa'maj.
tlhIngan maHtaHmeH maghobnIS. potlhchu' meqvam.}</pre>
</blockquote>
<p>This doesn't work. <b>ghIq</b> is an adverbial; it attaches to
sentences, not nouns.</p>
<p>If you're sticking with formal grammar, you can't just stick the
translation of the phrase <i>atom by atom</i> in front of <b>nutammoH.</b>
You could say <b>ngIq HeySelmaj tammoH</b> <i>they silence our
atoms one by one.</i><br>
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