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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The grammatical number of NOUN + 'ar
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Sat Sep 9 04:21:18 2017
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From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 14:42:50 +0000
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> I don't understand. If you don't know how many of something there is,
> how could you know whether it was singular or plural?
Well, in English, we (usually) treat "how many NOUN:s" as grammatically plu=
ral:
"How many people have seen it?" (not "How many person has seen it?")
"How many are there?" (not "How many is there?")
Presumably, Klingon has some similar rule, or at least a rule-of-thumb for=
how to deal with this uncertainty.
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Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The grammatical number of NOUN + 'ar
On 8 September 2017 at 13:15, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se> wrote:
> In TKD =A76.4, this is written of the word 'ar:
>
>
> ------------
>
> Finally, 'ar how many? how much? follows the noun to which it refers. It =
can
> never follow a noun with a plural suffix
> (-pu', -mey, -Du'; see section 3.3.2).
>
> ------------
>
>
> I've always taken this to mean that a noun followed by 'ar is grammatical=
ly
> singular, and so we must say, for example, qachvam Dab nuv 'ar?, rather t=
han
> *qachvam luDab nuv 'ar?*.
>
>
> However, it now strikes me that there is another possible interpretation,
> namely that while the noun followed by 'ar is never marked with a plural
> suffix, it could still be considered grammatically plural, and thus allow
> for sentences such as *qachvam luDab nuv 'ar?*.
I don't understand. If you don't know how many of something there is,
how could you know whether it was singular or plural?
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De'vID
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