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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] STID dialogue
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Holt)
Tue Aug 29 14:11:07 2017
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jatlh Andr=E9 M=FCller
> A few of those lines were still unclear. For my Klingon course that I wil=
l teach in September and November this
> year (in Switzerland), I was preparing a discussion and translation task =
about these dialogues, and I think I
> understood one of the lines that have a (?) behind it.
>
> The Wiki has: {jIHvo' neH De' jIbup (?).} =3D "from me want data ..."
> This doesn't make much sense. I listened to the dialogue again and I thin=
k what's being said is:
>
> {jIHvo' nIHDI' jIbup.} =3D "When he stole from me, I quit."
I suggest {jIHvo' nIH. De' jIbop.} "He stole from me. I am concerned with =
the information."
> This makes a lot of sense in the whole dialogue. I think I will correct t=
he dialogue in the Klingon Wiki.
>
> Any idea about the other sentence?
> {tlhInganna' naQpu'a' SoH?} =3D "You are a definite klingon. (?)"
> I do think the dialogue is in correct Klingon, but perhaps it's something=
quite different, though I don't get the
> verb in the middle, a suggestion:
> {tlhIngan Da-???-pu''a' SoH?} =3D "Did you [naq?] a Klingon / the Klingon=
(s)?"
> The syllable in the middle sounds like naq or naQ, but I can't figure it =
out.
I don't have any great ideas on this one. I would love to have {nej} in th=
ere except for the {-pu'} and the pronunciation.
> Also, is the second line plausible?
> {mughojmoH parmaqqaywI'.} =3D "My romantic partner has taught me."
> Maybe this is referring to the Klingons' surprise upon her speaking Kling=
on, but the sentence seems a bit out of
> context. Could the verb be something different here? Maybe the romantic p=
artner has betrayed, wronged,
> abandoned, stolen from, ... her =96 but none of the verbs fit.
This scene has already been cut together and had subtitles added that do no=
t match the lines. I believe there was a line that the Klingon said when f=
ilmed that has already been removed. Here is how I imagine the original wa=
s supposed to go:
U: Who is the leader?
tlh: How do you speak Klingon?
U: My lover taught me.
U: I have come here to look for someone.
U: He stole from me.
U: I'm concerned about the information to find him and take my things.
tlh: You ??? a Klingon?
U: Yes he was my lover.
U: Now he is hiding in the ruins of this city.
tlh: You lie!
U: Then kill me!
U: I will certainly die with honor.
Jeremy
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<div><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">> A few of those lines were s=
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<div><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">> </span><span style=3D"font-=
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ation task about these dialogues, and I think I</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">> understood one of the lines=
that have a (?) behind it.</span></div>
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> The Wiki has: {jIHvo' neH De' jIbup (?).} =3D "from me want =
data ..."<br>
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> This doesn't make much sense. I listened to the dialogue again an=
d I think what's being said is:<br>
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> {jIHvo' nIHDI' jIbup.} =3D "When he stole from me, I quit.&q=
uot;<br>
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<div>I suggest {jIHvo' nIH. De' jIbop.} "He stole from me. I am =
concerned with the information."</div>
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> This makes a lot of sense in the whole dialogue. I think I will c=
orrect the dialogue in the Klingon Wiki.<br>
> </div>
> Any idea about the other sentence?<br>
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> {tlhInganna' naQpu'a' SoH?} =3D "You are a definite klingon.=
(?)"<br>
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> I do think the dialogue is in correct Klingon, but perhaps it's s=
omething quite different, though I don't get the</div>
<div>> verb in the middle, a suggestion:<br>
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> {tlhIngan Da-???-pu''a' SoH?} =3D "Did you [naq?] a Klingon =
/ the Klingon(s)?"<br>
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<div>> The syllable in the middle sounds like naq or naQ, but I can=
't figure it out.
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<div>I don't have any great ideas on this one. I would love to have {=
nej} in there except for the {-pu'} and the pronunciation.</div>
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> Also, is the second line plausible?<br>
> {mughojmoH parmaqqaywI'.} =3D "My romantic partner has taugh=
t me."<br>
<br>
</div>
> Maybe this is referring to the Klingons' surprise upon her speaki=
ng Klingon, but the sentence seems a bit out of</div>
<div>> context. Could the verb be something different here? Maybe t=
he romantic partner has betrayed, wronged,</div>
<div>> abandoned, stolen from, ... her =96 but none of the verbs fi=
t.<br>
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<div>This scene has already been cut together and had subtitles added that =
do not match the lines. I believe there was a line that the Klingon s=
aid when filmed that has already been removed. Here is how I imagine =
the original was supposed to go:<br>
<br>
U: Who is the leader?<br>
tlh: How do you speak Klingon?<br>
U: My lover taught me.<br>
U: I have come here to look for someone.<br>
U: He stole from me.<br>
U: I'm concerned about the information to find him and take my things.</div=
>
<div>tlh: You ??? a Klingon?</div>
<div>U: Yes he was my lover.<br>
U: Now he is hiding in the ruins of this city.</div>
<div>tlh: You lie!</div>
<div>U: Then kill me!</div>
<div>U: I will certainly die with honor.</div>
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<div>Jeremy</div>
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