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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Referring to the entire preceding passage
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Fri Aug 18 09:42:46 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:42:43 +0300
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De'vID:
> In Star Trek VI, there's this exchange.
> Prison warden: Daq SovlaHbe'taH qIrq.
> Chang: DaSovbej'a'? bISuDrup'a'?
Is this dialogue 'oqranD approved ?
qunnoq
On Aug 18, 2017 4:38 PM, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> SuStel:
> > I find myself preferring *chay' bISov?*
>
> With regards to the options of {chay' DaSov ?} and {chay' 'e' DaSov ?).
>
> If you were asked "how would you characterize them ?", then would you say
> "they are wrong", "they are unacceptable", "they don't make sense", or "we
> don't know whether we can use them" ?
>
> qunnoq
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 4:26 PM, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>
> On 8/18/2017 8:56 AM, Lieven wrote:
>
> Am 18.08.2017 um 14:43 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
>
> As soon as he finishes his speech/passage, another person wants to ask him
> "how do you know it (this fact) ?
>
> Would it be correct for him to say {chay' DaSov ?} And by the use of the
> prefix {Da-} the {Sov} having as an elided object the entire preceding
> speech/passage ?
>
>
> Good question. I have three answers to this, with grades of correctness.
>
> a) I would accept {chay' DaSov} with no objection, but I have no evidence
> this is correct.
>
> b) Taken the book, there is a way to refer to a previous sentence, maybe
> {chay' 'e' DaSov}, but this maybe wrong.
>
> c) To be on a very clean grammatical track, I would suggest to say what
> you even used in your question:
> {chay' ngoDvetlh DaSov?}
> "How do you know that fact?"
>
> I find myself preferring *chay' bISov?*
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">De'vID:<div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0<span style=3D"fon=
t-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">In Star Trek VI, there's this e=
xchange.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font=
-size:13.696px">> Prison warden: Daq SovlaHbe'taH qIrq.<br>> Chan=
g: DaSovbej'a'? =C2=A0bISuDrup'a'?</div><div dir=3D"auto" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
to" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Is this dialogue &#=
39;oqranD approved ?</div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif=
;font-size:13.696px"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-=
serif;font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Aug 18, 2017 4:38 PM, "mayqel qunenoS&qu=
ot; <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrot=
e:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"=
>SuStel:<div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;f=
ont-size:13.696px">I find myself preferring=C2=A0</span><b style=3D"font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">chay' bISov?</b></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">With regards to the options of {chay' =
DaSov ?} and {chay' 'e' DaSov ?).</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">If you were asked "how would you characterize th=
em ?", then would you say "they are wrong", "they are u=
nacceptable", "they don't make sense", or "we don&#=
39;t know whether we can use them" ?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">qunnoq</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Aug 18, 2017 4:26 PM, "SuStel" <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@tr=
imboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type=
=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"m_360493446433884985quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=3D"m_360493446433884985m_-7805434570344634603moz-cite-prefix=
">On 8/18/2017 8:56 AM, Lieven wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Am
18.08.2017 um 14:43 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"color:#000000">As soon as he
finishes his speech/passage, another person wants to ask him
"how do you know it (this fact) ?
<br>
<br>
Would it be correct for him to say {chay' DaSov ?} And by the
use of the prefix {Da-} the {Sov} having as an elided object the
entire preceding speech/passage ?
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Good question. I have three answers to this, with grades of
correctness.
<br>
<br>
a) I would accept {chay' DaSov} with no objection, but I have no
evidence this is correct.
<br>
<br>
b) Taken the book, there is a way to refer to a previous sentence,
maybe {chay' 'e' DaSov}, but this maybe wrong.
<br>
<br>
c) To be on a very clean grammatical track, I would suggest to say
what you even used in your question:
<br>
=C2=A0 {chay' ngoDvetlh DaSov?}
<br>
=C2=A0 "How do you know that fact?"
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</div><p>I find myself preferring <b>chay' bISov?</b><font color=3D=
"#888888"><br>
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