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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Who does {-oy} show endearment to
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Thu Aug 17 11:11:46 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:11:41 +0300
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SuStel:
> An exception=E2=80=94at least in English=E2=80=94would be if person A
> used an endearment of person B while talking to person C;
> person C would be justified in repeating the endearment, as > it is in
the context of being what person A would say.
> A: *choHIvchugh vavoywI' vIja'!*
> C: *vavoylI' Daja'chugh qaHIvqa'.*
However the question remains..
A uses an endearment of person B while talking to person C; person C
repeats the endearment.
Is there a possibility that person C, in his effort to recreate what person
A would say, is actually showing endearment too toward person B ? Perhaps
even if he doesn't want to ?
Of course, in the above "if you attack me" example, context makes it
difficult for person C to be actually showing endearment himself toward the
father of A.
But what if we didn't have a "negative" example ? What if instead of the
{choHIvchugh} we had {choQaHchugh} ? Couldn't it here be possible of an
endearment being expressed from C, toward the "daddy" of A ?
qunnoq
On Aug 17, 2017 5:28 PM, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 8/17/2017 10:13 AM, Lieven wrote:
>
> Am 17.08.2017 um 16:06 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
>
> Someone says: {vIghro' leghbe' vavoywI'} for "my daddy didn't see the
> cat". The one who says this sentence, expresses endearment toward her
> father.
>
>
> You should, just as me, check KGT again for this topic. As far as I
> remember, this endearment is only used between the loved ones.
>
> Compare it to the usage in english of adults, where it seems a bit strang=
e
> when someone would talk of his "daddy" or "mommy". Children would do that=
,
> but I would say that may father visited me yesterday, not my daddy - even
> if I would call him like that.
>
> An exception=E2=80=94at least in English=E2=80=94would be if person A use=
d an endearment
> of person B while talking to person C; person C would be justified in
> repeating the endearment, as it is in the context of being what person A
> would say.
>
> A: *choHIvchugh vavoywI' vIja'!*
>
> C: *vavoylI' Daja'chugh qaHIvqa'.*
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">SuStel:<div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">An exception=E2=80=94at least in Englis=
h=E2=80=94would be if person A=C2=A0</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> used=C2=A0</span><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">an endearment of per=
son B while talking to person C;=C2=A0</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> person C would be =
justified in repeating the endearment, as > it is in the context of bein=
g what person A would say.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> A:=C2=A0</span><b style=3D"fon=
t-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">choHIvchugh vavoywI' vIja'!=
</b></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size=
:13.696px">> C:=C2=A0</span><b style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size=
:13.696px">vavoylI' Daja'chugh qaHIvqa'.</b></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><b style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></b></div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">=
However the question remains..</span><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">A uses =
an endearment of person B while talking to person C; person C repeats the e=
ndearment.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-se=
rif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Is there a possibility that perso=
n C, in his effort to recreate what person A would say, is actually showing=
endearment too toward person B ? Perhaps even if he doesn't want to ?<=
/span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:=
sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Of course, in the above "if you attack =
me" example, context makes it difficult for person C to be actually sh=
owing endearment himself toward the father of A.</span></div><div dir=3D"au=
to"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.69=
6px">But what if we didn't have a "negative" example ? What i=
f instead of the {choHIvchugh} we had {choQaHchugh} ? Couldn't it here =
be possible of an endearment being expressed from C, toward the "daddy=
" of A ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><fo=
nt face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</span></fo=
nt></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
Aug 17, 2017 5:28 PM, "SuStel" <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trim=
boli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=3D"m_2205339862579281895moz-cite-prefix">On 8/17/2017 10:13 =
AM, Lieven wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Am
17.08.2017 um 16:06 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"color:#000000">Someone says:
{vIghro' leghbe' vavoywI'} for "my daddy didn'=
t see the cat".
The one who says this sentence, expresses endearment toward her
father.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
You should, just as me, check KGT again for this topic. As far as
I remember, this endearment is only used between the loved ones.
<br>
<br>
Compare it to the usage in english of adults, where it seems a bit
strange when someone would talk of his "daddy" or "mom=
my".
Children would do that, but I would say that may father visited me
yesterday, not my daddy - even if I would call him like that.
</blockquote>
<p>An exception=E2=80=94at least in English=E2=80=94would be if person =
A used an
endearment of person B while talking to person C; person C would
be justified in repeating the endearment, as it is in the context
of being what person A would say.</p>
<p>A: <b>choHIvchugh vavoywI' vIja'!</b></p>
<p>C: <b>vavoylI' Daja'chugh qaHIvqa'.</b><br>
</p>
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