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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Proper use of adverbial {je}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Tue Aug 15 13:25:18 2017
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 13:25:13 -0400
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On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 12:43 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> Give them to me in context and I'll give you even more possibilities. Give
> me a passage you consider plodding and we'll come up with something better.
> On 8/15/2017 12:25 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>
> Because you owe it to the reader, to present to him a passage, which
> doesn't make him tired with the same repetitions over and over.
>
> Who would like to read something like: {yadda yadda 'ej yadda. yadda 'ej.
> yadda yadda 'ej. yadda 'ej yadda yadda. 'ej yadda}. ?
>
> You're looking for synonyms. *je* is not a synonym for *'ej.* Don't abuse
> the grammar in the search of novelty of expression. No me talk funny need
> for to be interesting.
>
>
> *Su'IH 'ej Suwoch Su'IH; Suwoch *
> *'IHwI' tlhIH 'ej wochwI' tlhIH 'IHwI' wochwI' je tlhIH*
>
In addition to this, it also seems like you're trying to remove redundancy
where it wouldn't be a problem. Readers tend to not pay much attention to
basic function words in the language. They read them, get the meaning, and
then let the memory drift away. {'ej} is a common, basic conjunction.
Seeing it many times in a short passage is probably not going to stick in
the mind of a Klingon reader as "redundant", because they would see it all
the time. (Complex thoughts tend to be expressed in multiple sentences in
Klingon, so it's possible voracious Klingon readers are more used to
sentences that use {'ej} a lot than English readers would be to sentences
that use "and" a lot.)
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
ue, Aug 15, 2017 at 12:43 PM, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailt=
o:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></spa=
n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=
=3D"#FFFFFF"><p>Give them to me in context and I'll give you even more
possibilities. Give me a passage you consider plodding and we'll
come up with something better.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"></span>
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<span class=3D"">
</span></p><div class=3D"m_-1302091403756634562moz-cite-prefix">On 8/15=
/2017 12:25 PM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"auto">Because you owe it to the reader, to present to
him a passage, which doesn't make him tired with the same
repetitions over and over.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Who would like to read something like: {yadda
yadda 'ej yadda. yadda 'ej. yadda yadda 'ej. yadda '=
;ej yadda
yadda. 'ej yadda}. ?</div>
</blockquote>
You're looking for synonyms. <b>je</b> is not a synonym for <b>'=
;ej.</b>
Don't abuse the grammar in the search of novelty of expression. N=
o
me talk funny need for to be interesting.<br>
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<b>Su'IH 'ej Suwoch<br>
Su'IH; Suwoch<br>
</b><b>'IHwI' tlhIH 'ej wochwI' tlhIH<br>
'IHwI' wochwI' je tlhIH</b></div></blockquote><div><br>=
</div><div>In addition to this, it also seems like you're trying to rem=
ove redundancy where it wouldn't be a problem. Readers tend to not pay =
much attention to basic function words in the language. They read them, get=
the meaning, and then let the memory drift away. {'ej} is a common, ba=
sic conjunction. Seeing it many times in a short passage is probably not go=
ing to stick in the mind of a Klingon reader as "redundant", beca=
use they would see it all the time. (Complex thoughts tend to be expressed =
in multiple sentences in Klingon, so it's possible voracious Klingon re=
aders are more used to sentences that use {'ej} a lot than English read=
ers would be to sentences that use "and" a lot.)<br></div></div><=
/div></div>
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