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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Proper use of adverbial {je}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Tue Aug 15 09:07:45 2017
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 09:07:42 -0400
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Probably not. The examples of adverbial {je} indicate that it's used when
the verb is the same as a previous sentence but the subject or object is
different. In your example the verb has changed.
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 6:07 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> maj.
>
> Now, lets examine another example:
>
> {Su'IH 'ej Suwoch je}
> You're beautiful and you're tall too
> You're beautiful and you're also tall
>
> Is this considered a proper use of the adverbial {je} ?
>
> qunnoq
>
> On 14 Aug 2017 11:16 pm, "nIqolay Q" <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't see why not. {vIHar je} on its own would mean either "I believe
>> it (and others believe it too)" or "I believe it (and I believe other
>> things too)." Your example fits the latter; you believe the duck is
>> beautiful, and also, you believe that the cat is beautiful. An example of
>> the former ("I and others believe it") would be {'IH vIghrolIj 'e' Har
>> wo'rIv. 'IH vIghrolIj 'e' vIHar je.}
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:04 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> According to tkd, we can use the adverbial {je} in this way:
>>>
>>> {qaleghpu' je}
>>> I saw you too
>>>
>>> With the ambiguity of course being, "I and others saw you or I saw you
>>> and others".
>>>
>>> All these are known, however I would like to ask if the following would
>>> be a correct use of {je} too:
>>>
>>> {'IH Da'vI'lIj 'e' vIHar; 'IH vIghrolIj 'e' vIHar je}
>>> Your duck is beautiful, I believe it; your cat is beautiful, I believe
>>> it too.
>>>
>>> qunnoq
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Probably not. The examples of adverbial {je} indicate that=
it's used when the verb is the same as a previous sentence but the sub=
ject or object is different. In your example the verb has changed.<br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 15, =
2017 at 6:07 AM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mih=
koun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">maj.<div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto">Now, lets examine another example:<div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">{Su'IH 'ej Suwoch je}</div><div dir=
=3D"auto">You're beautiful and you're tall too</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o">You're beautiful and you're also tall</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">Is this considered a proper use of the adverbial {=
je} ?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">qunnoq</div></div>=
</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 14 Aug 2017 11:16 pm, "nIqolay Q"=
<<a href=3D"mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">niqolay0@gmail=
.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">I don't see why not. {vIHar je} on its own would mean =
either "I believe it (and others believe it too)" or "I beli=
eve it (and I believe other things too)." Your example fits the latter=
; you believe the duck is beautiful, and also, you believe that the cat is =
beautiful. An example of the former ("I and others believe it") w=
ould be {'IH vIghrolIj 'e' Har wo'rIv. 'IH vIghrolIj &#=
39;e' vIHar je.}</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:04 PM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr">=
<<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.co=
m</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"=
>According to tkd, we can use the adverbial {je} in this way:<div dir=3D"au=
to"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">{qaleghpu' je}</div><div dir=3D"auto">I=
saw you too</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">With the am=
biguity of course being, "I and others saw you or I saw you and others=
".</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">All these are kn=
own, however I would like to ask if the following would be a correct use of=
{je} too:</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">{'IH Da&#=
39;vI'lIj 'e' vIHar; 'IH vIghrolIj 'e' vIHar je}</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">Your duck is beautiful, I believe it; your cat is beau=
tiful, I believe it too.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>qunnoq</div></div>
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