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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Proper use of adverbial {je}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Tue Aug 15 06:07:26 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 13:07:22 +0300
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maj.
Now, lets examine another example:
{Su'IH 'ej Suwoch je}
You're beautiful and you're tall too
You're beautiful and you're also tall
Is this considered a proper use of the adverbial {je} ?
qunnoq
On 14 Aug 2017 11:16 pm, "nIqolay Q" <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't see why not. {vIHar je} on its own would mean either "I believe it
> (and others believe it too)" or "I believe it (and I believe other things
> too)." Your example fits the latter; you believe the duck is beautiful, and
> also, you believe that the cat is beautiful. An example of the former ("I
> and others believe it") would be {'IH vIghrolIj 'e' Har wo'rIv. 'IH
> vIghrolIj 'e' vIHar je.}
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:04 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> According to tkd, we can use the adverbial {je} in this way:
>>
>> {qaleghpu' je}
>> I saw you too
>>
>> With the ambiguity of course being, "I and others saw you or I saw you
>> and others".
>>
>> All these are known, however I would like to ask if the following would
>> be a correct use of {je} too:
>>
>> {'IH Da'vI'lIj 'e' vIHar; 'IH vIghrolIj 'e' vIHar je}
>> Your duck is beautiful, I believe it; your cat is beautiful, I believe it
>> too.
>>
>> qunnoq
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<div dir=3D"auto">maj.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Now, le=
ts examine another example:<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">{S=
u'IH 'ej Suwoch je}</div><div dir=3D"auto">You're beautiful and=
you're tall too</div><div dir=3D"auto">You're beautiful and you=
9;re also tall</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Is this c=
onsidered a proper use of the adverbial {je} ?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">qunnoq</div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 14 Aug 2017 11:16 pm, "nIqolay Q"=
; <<a href=3D"mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>> wrot=
e:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
I don't see why not. {vIHar je} on its own would mean either "I be=
lieve it (and others believe it too)" or "I believe it (and I bel=
ieve other things too)." Your example fits the latter; you believe the=
duck is beautiful, and also, you believe that the cat is beautiful. An exa=
mple of the former ("I and others believe it") would be {'IH =
vIghrolIj 'e' Har wo'rIv. 'IH vIghrolIj 'e' vIHar j=
e.}</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, =
Aug 14, 2017 at 4:04 PM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">According to tkd=
, we can use the adverbial {je} in this way:<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">{qaleghpu' je}</div><div dir=3D"auto">I saw you too</div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">With the ambiguity of course=
being, "I and others saw you or I saw you and others".</div><div=
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">All these are known, however I wo=
uld like to ask if the following would be a correct use of {je} too:</div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">{'IH Da'vI'lIj =
9;e' vIHar; 'IH vIghrolIj 'e' vIHar je}</div><div dir=3D"au=
to">Your duck is beautiful, I believe it; your cat is beautiful, I believe =
it too.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">qunnoq</div></di=
v>
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