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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Proper use of adverbial {je}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Mon Aug 14 16:16:29 2017
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:16:26 -0400
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I don't see why not. {vIHar je} on its own would mean either "I believe it
(and others believe it too)" or "I believe it (and I believe other things
too)." Your example fits the latter; you believe the duck is beautiful, and
also, you believe that the cat is beautiful. An example of the former ("I
and others believe it") would be {'IH vIghrolIj 'e' Har wo'rIv. 'IH
vIghrolIj 'e' vIHar je.}
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:04 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to tkd, we can use the adverbial {je} in this way:
>
> {qaleghpu' je}
> I saw you too
>
> With the ambiguity of course being, "I and others saw you or I saw you and
> others".
>
> All these are known, however I would like to ask if the following would be
> a correct use of {je} too:
>
> {'IH Da'vI'lIj 'e' vIHar; 'IH vIghrolIj 'e' vIHar je}
> Your duck is beautiful, I believe it; your cat is beautiful, I believe it
> too.
>
> qunnoq
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I don't see why not. {vIHar je} on its own would mean =
either "I believe it (and others believe it too)" or "I beli=
eve it (and I believe other things too)." Your example fits the latter=
; you believe the duck is beautiful, and also, you believe that the cat is =
beautiful. An example of the former ("I and others believe it") w=
ould be {'IH vIghrolIj 'e' Har wo'rIv. 'IH vIghrolIj &#=
39;e' vIHar je.}</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:04 PM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr">=
<<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.co=
m</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"=
>According to tkd, we can use the adverbial {je} in this way:<div dir=3D"au=
to"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">{qaleghpu' je}</div><div dir=3D"auto">I=
saw you too</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">With the am=
biguity of course being, "I and others saw you or I saw you and others=
".</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">All these are kn=
own, however I would like to ask if the following would be a correct use of=
{je} too:</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">{'IH Da&#=
39;vI'lIj 'e' vIHar; 'IH vIghrolIj 'e' vIHar je}</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">Your duck is beautiful, I believe it; your cat is beau=
tiful, I believe it too.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>qunnoq</div></div>
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