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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] When did you buy the phone which you now use ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Fri Aug 11 11:15:40 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 18:15:37 +0300
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Let me ask you something else..
Suppose I write {vIghro'lIj'e' vIparHa'} for "as for your cat, I like it".
Is it correct to say that the object of {vIparHa'} is the {vIghro'lIj'e'} ?
qunnoq
On 11 Aug 2017 6:02 pm, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 8/11/2017 10:28 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>
> SuStel:
> > *DaH ghogh HablI''e' Dalo'bogh: ghorgh Daje'? *
>
> Isn't the object of {Dalo'bogh} the {ghogh HablI''e'} ?
>
>
> Not in that sentence. *ghorgh* is not an adverbial, so I can't invoke the
> rule in TKD Addendum 6.7 allowing objects with *-'e'* to move to the
> front.
>
> As I said, I was playing a little loose with the positioning rules. We
> don't ACTUALLY know whether *ghorgh* has any rules regarding its
> placement, so I took the liberty of putting the topic noun phrase before
> the *ghorgh.* If that's not allowed, then my sentence won't work. It
> might be the case that *ghorgh* follows the rules about putting time
> expressions before everything else.
>
> And if it isn't the object (case in which it isn't necessary for it to be
> placed right before the {Dalo'bogh}),
>
> instead of {*DaH ghogh HablI''e' Dalo'bogh: ghorgh Daje'?} *could we
> write {ghogh HablI''e' DaH Dalo'bogh: ghorgh Daje' ?} ?
>
>
> If my sentence is valid, then so is this one.
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Let me ask you something else..<div dir=3D"auto"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto">Suppose I write {vIghro'lIj'e' vIparHa'=
} for "as for your cat, I like it".</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">Is it correct to say that the object of {vIparHa'=
} is the {vIghro'lIj'e'} ?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">qunnoq</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On 11 Aug 2017 6:02 pm, "SuStel" <<a href=3D"=
mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type=3D=
"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
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<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
<div class=3D"m_2898092763259246562moz-cite-prefix">On 8/11/2017 10:28 =
AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"auto">SuStel:</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0<b style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-s=
ize:13.696px">DaH ghogh
HablI''e' Dalo'bogh: ghorgh Daje'? =C2=A0=C2=
=A0</b></div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><b style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696=
px"><br>
</b></div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Isn't the object of {Dalo'bogh} the {ghogh
HablI''e'} ?<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>Not in that sentence. <b>ghorgh</b> is not an adverbial, so I
can't invoke the rule in TKD Addendum 6.7 allowing objects with <=
b>-'e'</b>
to move to the front.</p>
<p>As I said, I was playing a little loose with the positioning
rules. We don't ACTUALLY know whether <b>ghorgh</b> has any rules
regarding its placement, so I took the liberty of putting the
topic noun phrase before the <b>ghorgh.</b> If that's not
allowed, then my sentence won't work. It might be the case that <=
b>ghorgh</b>
follows the rules about putting time expressions before everything
else.<br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"auto">And if it isn't the object (case in which it is=
n't
necessary for it to be placed right before the {Dalo'bogh}),</d=
iv>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">instead of {<b style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font=
-size:13.696px">DaH ghogh
HablI''e' Dalo'bogh: ghorgh Daje'?}=C2=A0</b>=
could we write {ghogh
HablI''e' DaH Dalo'bogh: ghorgh Daje' ?} ?</div=
>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>If my sentence is valid, then so is this one.<br>
</p>
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