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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] When did you buy the phone which you now use ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Fri Aug 11 11:02:19 2017
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:01:44 -0400
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On 8/11/2017 10:28 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> SuStel:
> > *DaH ghogh HablI''e' Dalo'bogh: ghorgh Daje'? *
> *
> *
> Isn't the object of {Dalo'bogh} the {ghogh HablI''e'} ?
Not in that sentence. *ghorgh* is not an adverbial, so I can't invoke
the rule in TKD Addendum 6.7 allowing objects with *-'e'* to move to the
front.
As I said, I was playing a little loose with the positioning rules. We
don't ACTUALLY know whether *ghorgh* has any rules regarding its
placement, so I took the liberty of putting the topic noun phrase before
the *ghorgh.* If that's not allowed, then my sentence won't work. It
might be the case that *ghorgh* follows the rules about putting time
expressions before everything else.
> And if it isn't the object (case in which it isn't necessary for it to
> be placed right before the {Dalo'bogh}),
>
> instead of {*DaH ghogh HablI''e' Dalo'bogh: ghorgh Daje'?} *could we
> write {ghogh HablI''e' DaH Dalo'bogh: ghorgh Daje' ?} ?
If my sentence is valid, then so is this one.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/11/2017 10:28 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAP7F2cLM+Xa3h-NBiCQfjS_1+bpF1O2j5Sh_U8T1FHs9xqagCg@mail.gmail.com"
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<div dir="auto">SuStel:</div>
<div dir="auto">> <b
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">DaH ghogh
HablI''e' Dalo'bogh: ghorgh Daje'? </b></div>
<div dir="auto"><b
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br>
</b></div>
<div dir="auto">Isn't the object of {Dalo'bogh} the {ghogh
HablI''e'} ?<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>Not in that sentence. <b>ghorgh</b> is not an adverbial, so I
can't invoke the rule in TKD Addendum 6.7 allowing objects with <b>-'e'</b>
to move to the front.</p>
<p>As I said, I was playing a little loose with the positioning
rules. We don't ACTUALLY know whether <b>ghorgh</b> has any rules
regarding its placement, so I took the liberty of putting the
topic noun phrase before the <b>ghorgh.</b> If that's not
allowed, then my sentence won't work. It might be the case that <b>ghorgh</b>
follows the rules about putting time expressions before everything
else.<br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAP7F2cLM+Xa3h-NBiCQfjS_1+bpF1O2j5Sh_U8T1FHs9xqagCg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="auto">And if it isn't the object (case in which it isn't
necessary for it to be placed right before the {Dalo'bogh}),</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">instead of {<b
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">DaH ghogh
HablI''e' Dalo'bogh: ghorgh Daje'?} </b>could we write {ghogh
HablI''e' DaH Dalo'bogh: ghorgh Daje' ?} ?</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>If my sentence is valid, then so is this one.<br>
</p>
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