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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Is Star Trek: Discovery a new canon category?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Fri Aug 11 10:04:12 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:04:08 +0300
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lieven:
> Theoretically, if ALL that Qov has translated is just fine,
> following the grammar, with no confusion - then why should
> we not show it?
In that case I want to ask, to include in boQwI' every other sentence every
other grammarian has ever written.
If we note at the end of the entry "written by grammarian x, at that date
and instance", then there isn't a problem, right ?
Speaking for myself, I trust SuStel and lojmIt tI'wI' nuv more than Qov.
So, why include her sentences and exclude theirs, or yours ? You're a
grammarian, right ? Why should I study Qov's sentences, and not yours ?
See my point ? The moment we accept anyone else's sentences as "material
which should be studied", then we place ourselves on a slippery path.
qunnoq
On 11 Aug 2017 4:53 pm, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 11.08.2017 um 15:40 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
> If you do include DSC non-okrand sentences for beginners, then these are
> the same beginners who will be confused, if and when okrand disqualifies
> something written in those sentences.
>
All of this is just speculation, since we do not know the phrases yet.
De'vID is right that people may search for what they heard on the show.
Theoretically, if ALL that Qov has translated is just fine, following the
grammar, with no confusion - then why should we not show it?
The note that it's not canon from Okrand may still be added. And besides,
boQwI' has the option to add notes saying what is incorrect - it even does
with canon examples that have mistakes.
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<div dir=3D"auto">lieven:<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-=
serif;font-size:13.696px">> Theoretically, if ALL that Qov has translate=
d is just fine,=C2=A0</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> following the grammar, with no conf=
usion - then why should=C2=A0</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"=
font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> we not show it?</span><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">In that case I want to a=
sk, to include in boQwI' every other sentence every other grammarian ha=
s ever written.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If we no=
te at the end of the entry "written by grammarian x, at that date and =
instance", then there isn't a problem, right ?</div><div dir=3D"au=
to"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Speaking for myself, I trust SuStel and loj=
mIt tI'wI' nuv more than Qov. So, why include her sentences and exc=
lude theirs, or yours ? You're a grammarian, right ? Why should I study=
Qov's sentences, and not yours ?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"auto">See my point ? The moment we accept anyone else's sentenc=
es as "material which should be studied", then we place ourselves=
on a slippery path.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">qun=
noq</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra" dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On 11 Aug 2017 4:53 pm, "Lieven" <<a href=3D"mailto:l=
evinius@gmx.de">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blo=
ckquote class=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"quoted-text">Am 11.08.2017 um 15:40 schr=
ieb mayqel qunenoS:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If you do include DSC non-okrand sentences for beginners, then these are th=
e same beginners who will be confused, if and when okrand disqualifies some=
thing written in those sentences.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
All of this is just speculation, since we do not know the phrases yet.<br>
<br>
De'vID is right that people may search for what they heard on the show.=
<br>
Theoretically, if ALL that Qov has translated is just fine, following the g=
rammar, with no confusion - then why should we not show it?<br>
<br>
The note that it's not canon from Okrand may still be added. And beside=
s, boQwI' has the option to add notes saying what is incorrect - it eve=
n does with canon examples that have mistakes.<div class=3D"quoted-text"><b=
r>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
Grammarian of the KLI<br>
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