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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Misty mountains cold...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Thu Aug 10 12:16:38 2017
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 12:16:34 -0400
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On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Aur=C3=A9lie Demonchaux <
demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com> wrote:
> muDuQ bomvam !
>
> tlhIngan Hol jatlhwI'vaD Damughta' 'e' vIQuch. majQa' !
>
> vIbomchu'meH bomvam vIghojlI' ;)
>
>
> On the other hand, I agree with SuStel on rhyming in Klingon - I have a
> couple of songs I'd like to translate at some point, but it does feel lik=
e
> mixing and matching suffixes at the end of each line...
>
> It would be great if at some point we had access to some cannon, full
> Klingon songs, so we might figure out the rules and best practices for
> klingon songwriting.
>
I once translated the inscription over the gates of Hell in Dante's
Inferno, keeping the rhyme scheme and the eleven-syllable lines. It was fun
to do (and I didn't rhyme a suffix with itself) but it is difficult. (If
you search the mailing list archives for "Dante" you can find my original
draft without any of the suggested corrections; I don't have the revised
edition saved on this computer.)
I think the only canon song (as opposed to play or poem) is the Warrior's
Anthem, which doesn't really rhyme or have much of a meter. It's just kind
of chanted monotonically. The paq'batlh is written in three-line stanzas,
which is described as a common thing.
To be honest, I think it's probably okay to just go ahead and invent your
own poetic or lyrical form as long as you aren't trying to claim it as
Okrandian-level canon. Think of it as "Klingon culture fanfiction" and go
nuts. There's probably hundreds of kinds of poems in the history of the
Empire. It's not like Maltz is going to look at your style and say
"Klingons have never done that, anytime, anywhere". He's not a poet!
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Aur=C3=A9lie Demonchaux <span dir=3D"ltr=
"><<a href=3D"mailto:demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dem=
onchaux.aurelie@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><font face=3D"times new roman, serif">muD=
uQ bomvam !</font></div><div><font face=3D"times new roman, serif"><br></fo=
nt></div><div><font face=3D"times new roman, serif">tlhIngan Hol jatlhwI=
9;vaD Damughta' 'e' vIQuch. majQa' !</font></div><div><font=
face=3D"times new roman, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"times =
new roman, serif">vIbomchu'meH bomvam vIghojlI' ;)</font></div><div=
><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font fa=
ce=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"ari=
al, helvetica, sans-serif">On the other hand, I agree with SuStel on rhymin=
g in Klingon - I have a couple of songs I'd like to translate at some p=
oint, but it does feel like mixing and matching suffixes at the end of each=
line...</font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br><=
/font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">It would be gr=
eat if at some point we had access to some cannon, full Klingon songs, so w=
e might figure out the rules and best practices for klingon songwriting.</f=
ont><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I once translate=
d the inscription over the gates of Hell in Dante's Inferno, keeping th=
e rhyme scheme and the eleven-syllable lines. It was fun to do (and I didn&=
#39;t rhyme a suffix with itself) but it is difficult. (If you search the m=
ailing list archives for "Dante" you can find my original draft w=
ithout any of the suggested corrections; I don't have the revised editi=
on saved on this computer.)<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think the only c=
anon song (as opposed to play or poem) is the Warrior's Anthem, which d=
oesn't really rhyme or have much of a meter. It's just kind of chan=
ted monotonically. The paq'batlh is written in three-line stanzas, whic=
h is described as a common thing. <br><br>To be honest, I think it's pr=
obably okay to just go ahead and invent your own poetic or lyrical form as =
long as you aren't trying to claim it as Okrandian-level canon. Think o=
f it as "Klingon culture fanfiction" and go nuts. There's pro=
bably hundreds of kinds of poems in the history of the Empire. It's not=
like Maltz is going to look at your style and say "Klingons have neve=
r done that, anytime, anywhere". He's not a poet!<br><br></div></d=
iv><br></div></div></div>
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