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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] When we "listen to music" what do we use ? {'Ij}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Thu Aug 10 10:45:31 2017
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qen Daq chu' vIDabchoHta'.
ghojwI'pu' chaH juHwIj Deq yoS luDabbogh HochHom'e'.
pa' pIj qaS lopmey, vaj pIj QoQ vIQoy. vI'Ijbe' 'ach vIQoy.
QoQ vI'IjmeH, qoghDu'wIj qatbogh jan'e' vItuQ. loQ Hur wabmey nIS, vaj jIlp=
u'wI' QoQ vI'IjHa'meH vIlo'laH.
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Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] When we "listen to music" what do we use ? {'Ij=
} or {Qoy} ? Or both ?
On 8/10/2017 10:17 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
If we want to say that someone "is listening music", then what do we
use ? {'Ij} or {Qoy} ? Or both ?
I don't think we know this one either, but Okrand makes a distinction betwe=
en the verbs in TKW:
The verb Qoy means "hear," not just "listen." One must actually perceive an=
d understand that which is being said.
This doesn't tell whether one does Qoy or 'Ij to music, but it implies that=
one can 'Ij without actually Qoy-ing anything. 'Ij seems to be the active =
attempt to detect sound; Qoy is the passive fact that sound has been detect=
ed.
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qen Daq chu' vIDabchoHta'.<br>
ghojwI'pu' chaH juHwIj Deq yoS luDabbogh HochHom'e'.<br>
pa' pIj qaS lopmey, vaj pIj QoQ vIQoy. vI'Ijbe' 'ach vIQoy.<br>
QoQ vI'IjmeH, qoghDu'wIj qatbogh jan'e' vItuQ. loQ Hur wabmey nIS, vaj jIlp=
u'wI' QoQ vI'IjHa'meH vIlo'laH.<br>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 8/10/2017 10:17 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:=
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<pre wrap=3D"">If we want to say that someone "is listening music"=
;, then what do we
use ? {'Ij} or {Qoy} ? Or both ?</pre>
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<p>I don't think we know this one either, but Okrand makes a distinction be=
tween the verbs in TKW:</p>
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<p>The verb <b>Qoy</b> means "hear," not just "listen."=
One must actually perceive and understand that which is being said.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This doesn't tell whether one does <b>Qoy</b> or <b>'Ij</b> to music, bu=
t it implies that one can
<b>'Ij</b> without actually<b> Qoy</b>-ing anything. <b>'Ij</b> seems to be=
the active attempt to detect sound;
<b>Qoy</b> is the passive fact that sound has been detected.<br>
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