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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Special forms of law' puS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Fri Aug 4 09:32:27 2017
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On 8/4/2017 9:15 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> There are certain special forms of law' puS constructions, which are
> discussed at HolQeD 13.1, p.8-10, Mar. 2004.
>
> Because there are more chances for me to visit Qo'noS, than ever
> acquiring any HolQeD issues, I would like to ask:
>
> 1. At this HQ issue it says:
>
> "To say that something is as X as something else [...], or {law'} is
> used with {rap} or {nIb} (the latter of which implies the two things
> being compared are exactly the same in some way).
>
> And the following examples are given:
>
> {tlhIngan woch law' tera'ngan woch rap}
> The klingon is as tall as the terran
> {tlhIngan woch law' tera'ngan woch nIb}
> The klingon is (exactly) as tall as the terran
>
> The question I want to ask is: Is it possible at the examples above,
> to have {puS} instead of {law'}, and if yes, then how does that alter
> the meaning ?
>
> 2. At the same HQ issue it says:
>
> "It is also possible to use {puS} with {rap} or {nIb}, but that
> carries a connotation of disparagement".
>
> What does this mean ? Can someone who knows for certain write an example ?
Your point 2 answers your point 1. *tlhIngan woch puS tera'ngan woch
rap* means /the Klingon is as tall as the Terran, and that's a bad thing./
> 3. At the same HQ issues it also says:
>
> "To say that something is not as X as something else, {pIm} is used in
> place of the second verb in the pair". And the following example is given:
>
> {QuchlIj vIl law' QuchwIj vIl pIm}
> Your forehead is not as ridgy as my forehead
>
> I want to ask, if in this sentence in the place of {law'} we could
> have {puS}. And if the answer is yes, then how does that alter the
> meaning ?
Same answer.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/4/2017 9:15 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAP7F2c++owDiw1O8gyH7tKOgau8b0mBz7=AZBr466R4ss59MyA@mail.gmail.com">There
are certain special forms of law' puS constructions, which are
discussed at HolQeD 13.1, p.8-10, Mar. 2004.
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Because there are more chances for me to visit
Qo'noS, than ever acquiring any HolQeD issues, I would like to
ask:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">1. At this HQ issue it says:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">"To say that something is as X as something else
[...], or {law'} is used with {rap} or {nIb} (the latter of
which implies the two things being compared are exactly the same
in some way).</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">And the following examples are given:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">{tlhIngan woch law' tera'ngan woch rap}</div>
<div dir="auto">The klingon is as tall as the terran</div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">{tlhIngan
woch law' tera'ngan woch nIb}</span><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">The klingon
is (exactly) as tall as the terran</span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">The question
I want to ask is: Is it possible at the examples above, to
have {puS} instead of {law'}, and if yes, then how does that
alter the meaning ?</span></div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">2. At the same HQ issue it says:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">"It is also possible to use {puS} with {rap} or
{nIb}, but that carries a connotation of disparagement".</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">What does this mean ? Can someone who knows for
certain write an example ?</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>Your point 2 answers your point 1. <b>tlhIngan woch puS
tera'ngan woch rap</b> means <i>the Klingon is as tall as the
Terran, and that's a bad thing.</i><br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAP7F2c++owDiw1O8gyH7tKOgau8b0mBz7=AZBr466R4ss59MyA@mail.gmail.com">
<div dir="auto">3. At the same HQ issues it also says:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">"To say that something is not as X as something
else, {pIm} is used in place of the second verb in the pair".
And the following example is given:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">{QuchlIj vIl law' QuchwIj vIl pIm}</div>
<div dir="auto">Your forehead is not as ridgy as my forehead</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I want to ask, if in this sentence in the place of
{law'} we could have {puS}. And if the answer is yes, then how
does that alter the meaning ?</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Same answer.<br>
</p>
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