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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] With regards to invectives
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Holt)
Wed Aug 2 00:40:40 2017
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From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of nIqola=
y Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:39 AM
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] With regards to invectives
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu<mailt=
o:sboozer@uchicago.edu>> wrote:
And finally in the TNG episode "The Mind's Eye" when Picard failed to convi=
nce Governor Vagh that the Federation wasn't supplying weapons to Kriosian =
rebels, Vagh shouted: "You speak the lies of a *tah-keck*!" Picard calmly =
leaned forward and replied, "*Qu'vatlh guy'cha b'aka!*" Vagh complimented =
him: "You swear well, Picard. You must have Klingon blood in your veins." =
(Spellings from the closed captions).
Obviously the writers just strung some words together, but Vagh accepted it=
.
From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
> Did the TV show lines come before or after their appearance in TKD? I tho=
ught a
> lot of Klingon curses started out as TV-Hol that got retconned into being=
real words.
First of all, I felt that Vagh was patronizing him. Entertained by his kno=
wledge and his attempt, but silently laughing at the failure of the attempt=
. He decided it was enough to count as a pass on his little test and so pl=
ayed along rather than keep it going by pointing out how bad it actually wa=
s.
Second, the episode aired in May 1991 (meaning it may have actually been fi=
lmed in 1990) and the Addendum of TKD came out in January 1992. They defin=
itely did not look the words up in the dictionary and it is possible that t=
hey made up the words and Okrand would then have taken the words from the e=
pisode. However, I have a suspicion that they asked Okrand for some curse =
words, he wrote up a whole list for them, and then he added them into the a=
ddendum he was already working on.
Jeremy
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:39 AM<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Steven Boozer =
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iled to convince Governor</span><i style=3D"font-family: Courier; font-size=
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</i><span style=3D"font-family: Courier; font-size: 12pt;">Vagh that the Fe=
deration wasn't supplying weapons to Kriosian rebels, Vagh shouted: "Y=
ou speak the lies of a *</span><b style=3D"font-family: Courier; font-size:=
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Picard calmly leaned forward and replied, "*</span><i style=3D"font-f=
amily: Courier; font-size: 12pt;">Qu'vatlh guy'cha b'aka</i><span style=3D"=
font-family: Courier; font-size: 12pt;">!*" Vagh complimented hi=
m: "You swear well, Picard. You must have Klingon blood
in your veins." (Spellings from the closed captions).</span><br=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">Obviously the wr=
iters just strung some words together, but Vagh accepted it.
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<div><b style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px;">F=
rom:</b><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667=
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<div><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px;=
"></span><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">> Did the TV show lines c=
ome before or after their appearance in TKD? </span><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 12pt;">I thought a</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">> lot </span><span style=
=3D"font-size: 12pt;">of </span><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Kling=
on curses started out as TV-Hol that got retconned into being real words.</=
span></div>
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<div>First of all, I felt that Vagh was patronizing him. Entertained =
by his knowledge and his attempt, but silently laughing at the failure of t=
he attempt. He decided it was enough to count as a pass on his little=
test and so played along rather than keep
it going by pointing out how bad it actually was.<br>
<br>
Second, the episode aired in May 1991 (meaning it may have actually been fi=
lmed in 1990) and the Addendum of TKD came out in January 1992. They =
definitely did not look the words up in the dictionary and it is possible t=
hat they made up the words and Okrand
would then have taken the words from the episode. However, I have a =
suspicion that they asked Okrand for some curse words, he wrote up a whole =
list for them, and then he added them into the addendum he was already =
;working on.</div>
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<div>Jeremy</div>
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