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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] qep'a' cha'maH loSDIch New words and some tidbits
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Sat Jul 29 15:26:29 2017
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 22:26:25 +0300
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ta wa'DIch chenmoHlu'ta'bogh vImaS. vaj, naDev, mu'tay chu' mIllogh vImaS.
ta wa'DIch velqa' luchenmoHqu'lu'chugh vaj vogh nargh Qagh. 'e' qIt.
I prefer the original file, in our case the vocabulary pictures. The more
replicas/alternate versions of the original files someone creates, the more
are the probabilities that mistakes will appear.
qunnoq
On 29 Jul 2017 9:30 pm, "nIqolay Q" <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
majQa'! My request for weather words made it to Maltz! Thank you, Maltz.
Is {ghugh} a noun or a verb? The entry says (n) but the English gloss
"vocalize" is a verb. I have a similar question about the weather words
like {vung}, {cheq}, and {raw}, which are listed as verbs but glossed as
nouns. Most of the existing weather words are verbs, so that's not too
surprising, but I do want to double check.
The odd note about {nev'aQ} makes me wonder if there's going to be a scene
with a Klingon sarcophagus in space in Star Trek: Discovery (that is,
assuming MO did get asked to do some Klingon for it after all, as someone
suggested earlier).
Puns:
{yamtaw} "line" backwards is a rough transliteration of "what's my", as in
the old show What's My Line?
{jItuj'ep} "mummy". I groaned when I figured this one out, which is the
sign of a quality pun. "I'm hot" ({jItuj}) + "ep" = Imhotep.
{retlaw} "dent, indentation" backwards is "Walter", which suggests someone
named "Walter Dent", but there's no obviously significant Walter Dent that
I can find on Google... the mystery continues.
{DabqI'} "mud, clay, putty" backwards is a rough transliteration of
"Ichabod". Ichabod Mudd was the eponymous hero's sidekick on the old serial
Captain Midnight. (This word's been around a while but I just found out the
pun recently.)
On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 8:57 PM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
> Greetings all,
>
> I've posted the new Klingon words online at https://www.kli.org/activit
> ies/qepmey/qepa-chamah-losdich/qepa-chamah-losdich-new-words/
>
> We'll be working to get these added to the KLI's New Word List on the
> website, but I wanted to get the pages out to you all as soon as possible.
>
> I also got to ask Marc a few questions and documented his answers:
>
> I asked about {jIb}, {pob}, {loch} and {rol} after there was a
> conversation about it in the Learn Klingon Facebook group. {jIb} is only
> hair on the top of your head, {loch} is the hair on your upper lip, {rol}
> is the hair on your face that covers you chin/neck area, and {pob} is hair
> from the neck down. "Arm hair" is {DeS pob}. The words cover both the hair
> and the entire construction, so {rol} refers to a "beard" as well as the
> hair that makes up the beard.
>
> However, "ear hair" or "nose hair" is talked about using {pob}, and {pob}
> *can* be used to talk about "face hair" or "head hair" but it would be
> considered very strange to do so.
>
> I asked about fronting nouns marked with {-'e'} as described in the TKD
> Addendum. Marc said that {-'e'} fronted nouns are marked and it should only
> be used in extreme situations. He said one could, if they wanted to, use
> this all the time but it would be similar to an English speaking using
> Shakespearean English all the time.
>
> SuStel asked on Facebook if {yaH} refers to any work place, or just
> military, and Marc said that it refers to any place where one does work.
>
> I also asked Marc again about using {-Ha'} on adverbs. He said that if it
> makes sense, then {-Ha'} could be used. I offered the example of {tlhIngan
> Hol neHHa' vIjatlh} and he translated that as "I speak not only Klingon" as
> in "I speak many languages including Klingon". He say that {vajHa'} still
> doesn't make sense.
>
> yItIv!
>
> qurgh
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>ta wa'DIch chenmoHlu'ta'bogh vImaS. vaj,=
naDev, mu'tay chu' mIllogh vImaS. ta wa'DIch velqa' luchen=
moHqu'lu'chugh vaj vogh nargh Qagh. 'e' qIt.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I prefer the original file, in our ca=
se the vocabulary pictures. The more replicas/alternate versions of the ori=
ginal files someone creates, the more are the probabilities that mistakes w=
ill appear.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">qunnoq<br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_extra" dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 29 =
Jul 2017 9:30 pm, "nIqolay Q" <<a href=3D"mailto:niqolay0@gmai=
l.com">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquot=
e class=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>majQa'! My request for w=
eather words made it to Maltz! Thank you, Maltz.<br><br>Is {ghugh} a noun o=
r a verb? The entry says (n) but the=20
English gloss "vocalize" is a verb. I have a similar question abo=
ut the=20
weather words like {vung}, {cheq}, and {raw}, which are listed as verbs but=
glossed as nouns. Most of the existing weather words are verbs, so that=
9;s not too surprising, but I do want to double check. <br><br>The odd note=
about {nev'aQ} makes me wonder if=20
there's going to be a scene with a Klingon sarcophagus in space in Star=
=20
Trek: Discovery (that is, assuming MO did get asked to do some Klingon for =
it=20
after all, as someone suggested earlier).<br><br></div>Puns: <br><br>{yamta=
w} "line" backwards is a rough transliteration of "what'=
s my", as in the old show What's My Line?<br></div><br></div><div>=
{jItuj'ep} "mummy". I groaned when I figured this one out, wh=
ich is the sign of a quality pun. "I'm hot" ({jItuj}) + "=
;ep" =3D Imhotep.<br><br></div><div>{retlaw} "dent, indentation&q=
uot; backwards is "Walter", which suggests someone named "Wa=
lter Dent", but there's no obviously significant Walter Dent that =
I can find on Google... the mystery continues.<br></div><br>{DabqI'} &q=
uot;mud, clay, putty" backwards is a rough transliteration of=20
"Ichabod". Ichabod Mudd was the eponymous hero's sidekick on =
the old=20
serial Captain Midnight. (This word's been around a while but I just=20
found out the pun recently.)</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"elided-text">On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 8:57 PM=
, qurgh lungqIj <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:qurgh@wizage.net" t=
arget=3D"_blank">qurgh@wizage.net</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"elided-text"><div dir=3D"ltr">Greetings =
all,<div><br></div><div>I've posted the new Klingon words online at=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"https://www.kli.org/activities/qepmey/qepa-chamah-losdich/qep=
a-chamah-losdich-new-words/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.kli.org/activit<=
wbr>ies/qepmey/qepa-chamah-losdich<wbr>/qepa-chamah-losdich-new-<wbr>words/=
</a><br><br>We'll be working to get these added to the KLI's New Wo=
rd List on the website, but I wanted to get the pages out to you all as soo=
n as possible.</div><div><br></div><div>I also got to ask Marc a few questi=
ons and documented his answers:</div><div><br></div><div>I asked about {jIb=
}, {pob}, {loch} and {rol} after there was a conversation about it in the L=
earn Klingon Facebook group. {jIb} is only hair on the top of your head, {l=
och} is the hair on your upper lip, {rol} is the hair on your face that cov=
ers you chin/neck area, and {pob} is hair from the neck down. "Arm hai=
r" is {DeS pob}. The words cover both the hair and the entire construc=
tion, so {rol} refers to a "beard" as well as the hair that makes=
up the beard.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>However, "ear hair"=
or "nose hair" is talked about using {pob}, and {pob} *can* be u=
sed to talk about "face hair" or "head hair" but it wou=
ld be considered very strange to do so.</div><div><br></div><div>I asked ab=
out fronting nouns marked with {-'e'} as described in the TKD Adden=
dum. Marc said that {-'e'} fronted nouns are marked and it should o=
nly be used in extreme situations. He said one could, if they wanted to, us=
e this all the time but it would be similar to an English speaking using Sh=
akespearean English all the time.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>SuStel ask=
ed on Facebook if {yaH} refers to any work place, or just military, and Mar=
c said that it refers to any place where one does work.</div><div><br></div=
><div>I also asked Marc again about using {-Ha'} on adverbs. He said th=
at if it makes sense, then {-Ha'} could be used. I offered the example =
of {tlhIngan Hol neHHa' vIjatlh} and he translated that as "I spea=
k not only Klingon" as in "I speak many languages including Kling=
on". He say that {vajHa'} still doesn't make sense.=C2=A0</div=
><div><br></div><div>yItIv!</div><span class=3D"m_6119317493947773558HOEnZb=
"><font color=3D"#888888"><div><br></div><div>qurgh</div><div><br></div><di=
v><br></div></font></span></div>
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