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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] My list of 19 new words revisited
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jesse Manoogian)
Thu Jul 27 23:39:26 2017
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 03:39:22 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jesse Manoogian <boyfromtheabyss@yahoo.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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Andr=C3=A9 M?ller wrote:
>I remember last time, some people were a bit harsh that time. But it's goo=
d
>to see you back and I must say your list of words is really well thought
>through. Most of the words will probably be readily understandable for mos=
t
>Klingonists, except for perhaps "wifebeater". It's (I think) an English
>slang term that wouldn't be literally understandable by non-English
>speakers. Most will understand a person who beats their wife.
I was really stumped by how to translate "tank top". If I had had a copy of=
_Klingon for the Galactic Traveler_ I might have known about the yIvbeH. B=
ut maybe we don't need the level of specificity in Klingon that we have in =
every English domain. After all, in Klingon "crocodile" and "alligator" are=
the same word, and in Indonesian people normally use a word meaning "citru=
s" for all citrus fruit. Then we have the Algonquian languages (I'm thinkin=
g specifically of one Algonquian language beginning with M) in which one wo=
rd is used for all upper-body garments: dress shirt, T-shirt, jacket, tank =
top, turtleneck, etc.
>Also note that it is somewhat of an unwritten custom to not write compound
>words as one word if it's not a word from Okrandian canon. So, better use =
a
>space, like {DIr vemmey}, (lit. 'marks of the skin'). But it's not a big
>mistake or anything.
I was not aware of this. OK, I'll use "DIr vemmey" and "rutlh 'echlet" and =
so on.
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dr=C3=A9 M?ller wrote:<br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501212322058_8014"><br i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501212322058_8016">>I remember last time, some p=
eople were a bit harsh that time. But it's good<br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_=
1501212322058_8017">>to see you back and I must say your list of words i=
s really well thought<br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501212322058_8018">>th=
rough. Most of the words will probably be readily understandable for most<b=
r id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501212322058_8019">>Klingonists, except for p=
erhaps "wifebeater". It's (I think) an English<br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1=
501212322058_8020">>slang term that wouldn't be literally understandable=
by non-English<br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501212322058_8021">>speakers=
. Most will understand a person who beats their wife.<br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_y=
m19_1_1501212322058_8022"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15=
01212322058_11183"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15012=
12322058_11184">I was really stumped by how to translate "tank top". If I h=
ad had a copy of _Klingon for the Galactic Traveler_ I might have known abo=
ut the yIvbeH. But maybe we don't need the level of specificity in Klingon =
that we have in every English domain. After all, in Klingon "crocodile" and=
"alligator" are the same word, and in Indonesian people normally use a wor=
d meaning "citrus" for all citrus fruit. Then we have the Algonquian langua=
ges (I'm thinking specifically of one Algonquian language beginning with M)=
in which one word is used for all upper-body garments: dress shirt, T-shir=
t, jacket, tank top, turtleneck, etc.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_ym19_1_1501212322058_14330"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_ym19_1_1501212322058_19035">>Also note that it is somewhat of an unwr=
itten custom to not write compound<br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501212322058=
_8024">>words as one word if it's not a word from Okrandian canon. So, b=
etter use a<br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501212322058_8025">>space, like =
{DIr vemmey}, (lit. 'marks of the skin'). But it's not a big<br id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_ym19_1_1501212322058_8026">>mistake or anything.</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501212322058_19037"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501212322058_19038">I was not aware of this. OK,=
I'll use "DIr vemmey" and "rutlh 'echlet" and so on.<br></div></div></body=
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