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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] My list of 19 new words revisited
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Thu Jul 27 10:41:57 2017
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Hey Andrew,
I remember last time, some people were a bit harsh that time. But it's good
to see you back and I must say your list of words is really well thought
through. Most of the words will probably be readily understandable for most
Klingonists, except for perhaps "wifebeater". It's (I think) an English
slang term that wouldn't be literally understandable by non-English
speakers. Most will understand a person who beats their wife.
Also note that it is somewhat of an unwritten custom to not write compound
words as one word if it's not a word from Okrandian canon. So, better use a
space, like {DIr vemmey}, (lit. 'marks of the skin'). But it's not a big
mistake or anything.
Just my 0.50 darseks
- Andr=C3=A9 =F0=9F=96=96
On 27 Jul 2017 10:33, "Jesse Manoogian" <boyfromtheabyss@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi, guys. It's Andrew again.
Back at the end of 2015, I appeared on this mailing list with a list of 19
words missing in Klingon. Upon your encouragement I came up with
equivalents for most of them using the existent roots, but now I see that
many of my conceptions on how Klingon agglutination worked were wrong.
Well, I've been reading up on tlhIngan Hol -- learning more about the
vocabulary, the affixes, and the rules of morphology, and I think I've got
acceptable compounds and workarounds for all the words on my list now.
Have a gander.
be blonde: SuD (be yellow) works fine
be straight (of hair): beQ (be flat)
be curly: gho rur (resemble a circle)
be wavy: yu'eghmey rur (resemble waves)
be bald: jIb ghajbe' (to not have hair)
be hazel: SuD 'ej wovbe' (be yellow/green and non-bright -- I thought "SuD
'ej Doq 'ej wovbe'" was too unwieldy)
freckles: DIrvemmey (skin-mark-PL)
wrinkle: bentlhegh (age-line)
glasses: mIn'al'onmey (eye-glass-PL)
braces: Ho'baS (tooth-metal -- it's singular -- as I understand, they say
the singular "brace" in British English, so this has precedent)
tattoo: DIrmIllogh (skin-picture)
jeans: yopwaH ghegh (rough pants) -- and I also notice "yopwaH buq" for
"pants pouch; trouser pocket" -- how about buq yopwaH for cargo pants?
polo shirt: wep yor poSmoH ([sleeved] shirt with open top)
tank top: be'nalmoqwI' (a calque of the English wifebeater)
headphones: nachQoywI' (head-hearer . . . a calque from the German
Kopfh=C3=B6rer)
skateboard: rutlh'echlet (wheel-board)
guitar: javHurDagh (six + stringed instrument)
bass: javHurDagh jaQ (deep guitar)
be teenage, be adolescent: nenchoH (become adult)
teen, adolescent, youth, young adult: nuv nenchoH (person becoming adult)
pItlh!
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Hey Andrew,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">I remember last time, some people were a bit harsh that time. But it&#=
39;s good to see you back and I must say your list of words is really well =
thought through. Most of the words will probably be readily understandable =
for most Klingonists, except for perhaps "wifebeater". It's (=
I think) an English slang term that wouldn't be literally understandabl=
e by non-English speakers. Most will understand a person who beats their wi=
fe.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Also note that it is=
somewhat of an unwritten custom to not write compound words as one word if=
it's not a word from Okrandian canon. So, better use a space, like {DI=
r vemmey}, (lit. 'marks of the skin'). But it's not a big mista=
ke or anything.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Just my =
0.50 darseks</div><div dir=3D"auto">- Andr=C3=A9 =F0=9F=96=96</div><br><div=
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 27 Jul 2017 10:33,=
"Jesse Manoogian" <<a href=3D"mailto:boyfromtheabyss@yahoo.co=
m">boyfromtheabyss@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockq=
uote class=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-=
family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13=
px"><div id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3180" =
dir=3D"ltr">Hi, guys. It's Andrew again.<br id=3D"m_-461393584521807591=
4yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3523"><br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_=
3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3524">Back at the end of 2015, I appeared on th=
is mailing list with a list of 19 words missing in Klingon. Upon your encou=
ragement I came up with equivalents for most of them using the existent roo=
ts, but now I see that many of my conceptions on how Klingon agglutination =
worked were wrong.<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128=
078950_3525"><br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_150112807895=
0_3526">Well, I've been reading up on tlhIngan Hol -- learning more abo=
ut the vocabulary, the affixes, and the rules of morphology, and I think I&=
#39;ve got acceptable compounds and workarounds for all the words on my lis=
t now.<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3527"=
><br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3528">Have=
a gander.<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3=
529"><br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3530">=
be blonde: SuD (be yellow) works fine<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_=
16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3531">be straight (of hair): beQ (be flat)<br id=
=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3532">be curly: g=
ho rur (resemble a circle)<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1=
_1501128078950_3533">be wavy: yu'eghmey rur (resemble waves)<br id=3D"m=
_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3534">be bald: jIb gha=
jbe' (to not have hair)<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_=
1_1501128078950_3535">be hazel: SuD 'ej wovbe' (be yellow/green and=
non-bright -- I thought "SuD 'ej Doq 'ej wovbe'" was=
too unwieldy)<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15011280789=
50_3536">freckles: DIrvemmey (skin-mark-PL)<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914=
yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3537">wrinkle: bentlhegh (age-line)<br id=
=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3538">glasses: mI=
n'al'onmey (eye-glass-PL)<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0=
_ym19_1_1501128078950_3539">braces: Ho'baS (tooth-metal -- it's sin=
gular -- as I understand, they say the singular "brace" in Britis=
h English, so this has precedent)<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0=
_ym19_1_1501128078950_3540">tattoo: DIrmIllogh (skin-picture)<br id=3D"m_-4=
613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3541">jeans: yopwaH ghegh=
(rough pants) -- and I also notice "yopwaH buq" for "pants =
pouch; trouser pocket" -- how about buq yopwaH for cargo pants?<br id=
=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3542">polo shirt:=
wep yor poSmoH ([sleeved] shirt with open top)<br id=3D"m_-461393584521807=
5914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3543">tank top: be'nalmoqwI' (a=
calque of the English wifebeater)<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_=
0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3544">headphones: nachQoywI' (head-hearer . . . =
a calque from the German Kopfh=C3=B6rer)<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui=
_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3545">skateboard: rutlh'echlet (wheel-boar=
d)<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3546">gui=
tar: javHurDagh (six + stringed instrument)<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914=
yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3547">bass: javHurDagh jaQ (deep guitar)<br=
id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3548">be teena=
ge, be adolescent: nenchoH (become adult)<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yu=
i_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3549">teen, adolescent, youth, young adult: n=
uv nenchoH (person becoming adult)<br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_=
0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3550"><br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym1=
9_1_1501128078950_3551"><br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1=
501128078950_3552"><br id=3D"m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_150112=
8078950_3553">pItlh!<br></div></div></div><br>_____________________________=
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