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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Don't they have jay' arrows ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Wed Jul 19 13:56:51 2017
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:56:19 -0400
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On 7/19/2017 1:46 PM, Ed Bailey wrote:
> If the play is from before {cha} and {pu'} had their modern meanings,
> maybe it's not a dodge after all. Perhaps these words translate at
> least roughly from no' Hol as "slings" and "arrows," and are connected
> to the irregular plural of {peng} and the {pu'} in {DaSpu'}.
First, let's remember that /Hamlet/ is not by Okrand; it's not
canonical. Don't go crazy trying to work this into your personal
understanding of Klingon.
Then, for those who haven't read it, know that /Hamlet/ is given a
backstory in its introduction: it's actually a fairly modern Klingon
play, written by a Klingon after Klingons have achieved spaceflight and
apparently after contact with the Federation. But the sneaky Federation
has waged a propaganda war against the Klingon Empire and created a
false history of Earth literature, in which Shex'pir was actually a
human from many centuries earlier, so it's hard to go and find proof
that this isn't true. This edition of /Hamlet/ is an attempt to counter
this propaganda and "reconstruct" what the original Klingon must have
looked like.
So when /Hamlet/ says *cha pu' je,* you should take it literally and in
its modern sense.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/19/2017 1:46 PM, Ed Bailey wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CABSTb1c_d1-Jp6ExNXX4OTtRCTZQab92G-tUZM1vt88eehfCXQ@mail.gmail.com">If
the play is from before {cha} and {pu'} had their modern meanings,
maybe it's not a dodge after all. Perhaps these words translate at
least roughly from no' Hol as "slings" and "arrows," and are
connected to the irregular plural of {peng} and the {pu'} in
{DaSpu'}.</blockquote>
<p>First, let's remember that <i>Hamlet</i> is not by Okrand; it's
not canonical. Don't go crazy trying to work this into your
personal understanding of Klingon.<br>
</p>
<p>Then, for those who haven't read it, know that <i>Hamlet</i> is
given a backstory in its introduction: it's actually a fairly
modern Klingon play, written by a Klingon after Klingons have
achieved spaceflight and apparently after contact with the
Federation. But the sneaky Federation has waged a propaganda war
against the Klingon Empire and created a false history of Earth
literature, in which Shex'pir was actually a human from many
centuries earlier, so it's hard to go and find proof that this
isn't true. This edition of <i>Hamlet</i> is an attempt to
counter this propaganda and "reconstruct" what the original
Klingon must have looked like.</p>
<p>So when <i>Hamlet</i> says <b>cha pu' je,</b> you should take
it literally and in its modern sense.<br>
</p>
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