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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] With regards to invectives
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Wed Jul 19 12:39:24 2017
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:39:20 -0400
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On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
wrote:
>
>
> Oddly, I couldn=E2=80=99t find any examples of invective used in the paq=
=E2=80=99batlh.
> Perhaps they=E2=80=99re considered inappropriate in religious/classical l=
iterature
> - even for Klingons! (qunnoq, are there any in the Iliad or Odyssey, or
> have these texts been expurgated over the centuries?)
>
I'm pretty sure there's at least one {jay'} in there. The English line
started as something like "Curse this Klingon...", but I don't remember the
exact line nor where in the book it was.
> And finally in the TNG episode "The Mind's Eye" when Picard failed to
> convince Governor Vagh that the Federation wasn't supplying weapons to
> Kriosian rebels, Vagh shouted: "You speak the lies of a **tah-keck****!"
> Picard calmly leaned forward and replied, "**Qu'vatlh guy'cha b'aka*!*"
> Vagh complimented him: "You swear well, Picard. You must have Klingon blo=
od
> in your veins." (Spellings from the closed captions).
>
>
>
> Obviously the writers just strung some words together, but Vagh accepted
> it.
>
Did the TV show lines come before or after their appearance in TKD? I
thought a lot of Klingon curses started out as TV-Hol that got retconned
into being real words.
Someday I'd like to hear from Maltz about what makes Klingon curses into
curses and not merely just insults. What concepts do they consider profane
or vulgar, what are the etymologies of their curse words (real or folk),
that sort of thing. (I'm also curious about if there are other categories
of profanity besides epithets, interjections for bad situations, and
{jay'}.)
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Steven Boozer <span dir=3D"ltr"><<=
a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" target=3D"_blank">sboozer@uchicago.e=
du</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"m_128510053849444623WordSection1"><span style=3D"font-family:=
Courier"></span>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">Oddly, I couldn=
=E2=80=99t find any examples of invective used in the paq=E2=80=99batlh.=C2=
=A0 Perhaps they=E2=80=99re considered inappropriate in religious/classical=
literature - even for Klingons!=C2=A0 (qunnoq, are there any in the Iliad
or Odyssey, or have these texts been expurgated over the centuries?)=C2=A0=
</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm pretty sure=
there's at least one {jay'} in there. The English line started as =
something like "Curse this Klingon...", but I don't remember =
the exact line nor where in the book it was.<br></div><div><br>=C2=A0</div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" lang=
=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"m_128510053849444623WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">And finally in t=
he TNG episode "The Mind's Eye" when Picard failed to convinc=
e Governor<i>
</i>Vagh that the Federation wasn't supplying weapons to Kriosian rebel=
s, Vagh shouted: "You speak the lies of a *<b><i>tah-keck</i></b><i>*<=
/i>!"=C2=A0 Picard calmly leaned forward and replied, "*<i>Qu'=
;vatlh guy'cha b'aka</i>!*"=C2=A0 Vagh complimented him: "=
;You swear
well, Picard. You must have Klingon blood in your veins." =C2=A0(Spel=
lings from the closed captions).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">Obviously the wr=
iters just strung some words together, but Vagh accepted it.=C2=A0
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote=
><div><br></div><div>Did the TV show lines come before or after their appea=
rance in TKD? I thought a lot of Klingon curses started out as TV-Hol that =
got retconned into being real words.<br><br></div><div>Someday I'd like=
to hear from Maltz about what makes Klingon curses into curses and not mer=
ely just insults. What concepts do they consider profane or vulgar, what ar=
e the etymologies of their curse words (real or folk), that sort of thing. =
(I'm also curious about if there are other categories of profanity besi=
des epithets, interjections for bad situations, and {jay'}.)<br></div><=
/div><br></div></div>
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