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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The meaning of {ngoy'}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Thu Jul 6 09:38:39 2017
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On 7/6/2017 9:31 AM, SuStel wrote:
> On 7/6/2017 9:20 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>> There is the canon example which says that "the family of a klingon
>> warrior is responsible..".
>>
>> However I was wondering whether it could have the additional positive
>> meaning of {reH vum yaSvetlh. ngoy'qu'} for "That officer is always
>> working. He is very responsible".
>>
>> Or maybe even the additional negative meaning of {reH Qong yaSvetlh.
>> ngoy'Ha'} for "That officer is always sleeping. He is irresponsible".
>
> You're asking about the different senses of the English word
> /responsible./ The canonical example means /accountable;/ another
> sense means /dependable./ The question is, does *ngoy'* mean both of
> those?
>
> The answer is, we don't know. We only know of the /accountable/
> meaning for sure. There has been no example of the /dependable/
> meaning, and no further explanation of the Klingon word.
>
It occurs to me that we do have the slang phrase *Duj ngaDHa'*/unstable
vessel,/ meaning an irresponsible or undisciplined person. You cannot,
however, say *Duj ngaD* to mean a responsible person.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/2017 9:31 AM, SuStel wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:8beee460-84a2-d468-c0ee-929812696023@trimboli.name">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/2017 9:20 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAP7F2cKe=d-Fj7fkc3U6s24ME5M7XZyKh1ckPVuKs8v63wZ17g@mail.gmail.com">There
is the canon example which says that "the family of a klingon
warrior is responsible..".
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">However I was wondering whether it could have
the additional positive meaning of {reH vum yaSvetlh.
ngoy'qu'} for "That officer is always working. He is very
responsible".</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Or maybe even the additional negative meaning of
{reH Qong yaSvetlh. ngoy'Ha'} for "That officer is always
sleeping. He is irresponsible".</div>
</blockquote>
<p>You're asking about the different senses of the English word <i>responsible.</i>
The canonical example means <i>accountable;</i> another sense
means <i>dependable.</i> The question is, does <b>ngoy'</b>
mean both of those?</p>
<p>The answer is, we don't know. We only know of the <i>accountable</i>
meaning for sure. There has been no example of the <i>dependable</i>
meaning, and no further explanation of the Klingon word.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>It occurs to me that we do have the slang phrase <b>Duj ngaDHa'</b><i>
unstable vessel,</i> meaning an irresponsible or undisciplined
person. You cannot, however, say <b>Duj ngaD</b> to mean a
responsible person.<br>
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