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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] What is a sentence?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (ghunchu'wI' 'utlh)
Sat Jun 10 13:13:27 2017
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From: ghunchu'wI' 'utlh <qunchuy@alcaco.net>
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:12:45 -0400
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On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:03 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
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> For instance, Captain Klaa's utterance reH DIvI' Duj vISuv vIneH I've alwa=
ys wanted to fight a Federation ship becomes perfectly reasonable without an=
y special grammatical exceptions if we simply look at it as reH [DIvI' Duj v=
ISuv vIneH], where the brackets delineate a sentence, not just a "constructi=
on."
It is already an exception, as {neH} does not use the object {'e'}. It has o=
ccasionally been suggested that the "previous sentence" is the actual object=
of {neH}. I think that is no more of a stretch than what you propose.
I do see the distinction between generalizing and making exceptions. I'm jus=
t not sure it is worth generalizing "all SAO constructions are sentences" in=
order to handle the Klaa example, when a small codicil on {neH} works to ex=
plain both the placement of {reH} and the lack of {'e'}.
I think it is uncontroversial to call complex sentences made with conjunctio=
ns "sentences". Do we have any examples of such sentences where an adverbial=
or subordinate clause applies to the entire thing, or do they attach to onl=
y one main verb? The comparison isn't perfectly applicable to a SAO, but it c=
ould be instructive.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:03 PM, SuStel <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:=
</div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>For instance, Captain Kl=
aa's
utterance <b>reH DIvI' Duj vISuv vIneH</b> <i>I've always wanted
to fight a Federation ship</i> becomes perfectly reasonable
without any special grammatical exceptions if we simply look at it
as <b>reH [DIvI' Duj vISuv vIneH],</b> where the brackets
delineate a sentence, not just a "construction."</div></blockquote><sp=
an style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><div><span style=3D"b=
ackground-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div>It is already an e=
xception, as {neH} does not use the object {'e'}. It has occasionally been s=
uggested that the "previous sentence" is the actual object of {neH}. I think=
that is no more of a stretch than what you propose.</span><div><span style=3D=
"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span styl=
e=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I do see the distinction bet=
ween generalizing and making exceptions. I'm just not sure it is worth gener=
alizing "all SAO constructions are sentences" in order to handle the Klaa ex=
ample, when a small codicil on {neH} works to explain both the placement of {=
reH} and the lack of {'e'}.</span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color=
: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"background-c=
olor: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"backgrou=
nd-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I think it is uncontroversial to call com=
plex sentences made with conjunctions "sentences". Do we have any examples o=
f such sentences where an adverbial or subordinate clause applies to the ent=
ire thing, or do they attach to only one main verb? The comparison isn't per=
fectly applicable to a SAO, but it could be instructive.<br><br>-- ghunchu'w=
I'</span></div></body></html>=
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