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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] What is a sentence?
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Fri Jun 9 15:03:51 2017
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On 6/9/2017 2:45 PM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:
> It seems that Okrand switches back and forth on this one. In TKD he
> clearly defines them as two sentences and repeats that convention
> multiple times throughout that section:
Oh sure. I'm not saying that an SAO isn't two sentences. It clearly is.
I'm saying that it's a sentence composed of sentences. It's both one
sentence and two. I'm not interested in what the "right" terminology is
here, just whether SAOs as whole entities have the properties of sentences.
The exact properties of complex sentences of any given type are not
revealed by making this statement, but it opens the possibility of
things like attaching relative clauses to SAOs or adding adverbials,
syntactic nouns, or time expressions to the front of them, and in all
cases referring to the SAO as a whole, rather than just one part of it.
For instance, Captain Klaa's utterance *reH DIvI' Duj vISuv vIneH* /I've
always wanted to fight a Federation ship/ becomes perfectly reasonable
without any special grammatical exceptions if we simply look at it as
*reH [DIvI' Duj vISuv vIneH],* where the brackets delineate a sentence,
not just a "construction." You can put adverbials at the beginning of
sentences and other verbal clauses. If you can't call that a sentence,
you have to explain why you can add *reH* to the front of it, or else
you've got *[reH DIvI' Duj vISuv] [vIneH]*/I want to always fight a
Federation ship,/ where the brackets delineate the first and second
sentences, and the meaning is wrong.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/9/2017 2:45 PM, qurgh lungqIj
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CALPi+eTfNMxTCB8kithUa0+5kmsfsKg1ga6o_EbXvoW-ygp53g@mail.gmail.com">It
seems that Okrand switches back and forth on this one. In TKD he
clearly defines them as two sentences and repeats that convention
multiple times throughout that section:</blockquote>
<p>Oh sure. I'm not saying that an SAO isn't two sentences. It
clearly is. I'm saying that it's a sentence composed of sentences.
It's both one sentence and two. I'm not interested in what the
"right" terminology is here, just whether SAOs as whole entities
have the properties of sentences.</p>
<p>The exact properties of complex sentences of any given type are
not revealed by making this statement, but it opens the
possibility of things like attaching relative clauses to SAOs or
adding adverbials, syntactic nouns, or time expressions to the
front of them, and in all cases referring to the SAO as a whole,
rather than just one part of it. For instance, Captain Klaa's
utterance <b>reH DIvI' Duj vISuv vIneH</b> <i>I've always wanted
to fight a Federation ship</i> becomes perfectly reasonable
without any special grammatical exceptions if we simply look at it
as <b>reH [DIvI' Duj vISuv vIneH],</b> where the brackets
delineate a sentence, not just a "construction." You can put
adverbials at the beginning of sentences and other verbal clauses.
If you can't call that a sentence, you have to explain why you can
add <b>reH</b> to the front of it, or else you've got <b>[reH
DIvI' Duj vISuv] [vIneH]</b><i> I want to always fight a Federation
ship,</i> where the brackets delineate the first and second
sentences, and the meaning is wrong.</p>
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