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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: jey' Sorpuq
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Terrence Donnelly)
Tue Apr 18 16:27:43 2017
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From: Terrence Donnelly <terrence.donnelly@sbcglobal.net>
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Terrence Donnelly <terrence.donnelly@sbcglobal.net>
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It also could be that Maltz isn't a metallurgist, and just gave us what he =
understood as the general term, not realizing there were distinctions.
ter'eS
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: jey' Sorpuq
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Presumably, "bronze" is only an approximate translation of {jey' Sorpuq}, a=
nd vice versa, as there are some forms of bronze which do not include tin (=
and, at least in theory, some copper-bronze alloys which are not bronzes).
A historically notable example is arsenical bronze. Arguably, translating "=
the Bronze Age" as {jey' Sorpuq bov} would be inaccurate, because it seems =
that arsenical bronze deserves nearly as much credit as tin bronze.
That being said, it could also be an example of a pars pro toto synecdoche,=
where something large (the set of all bronzes) is named for a particular e=
xample or subset (the set of tin bronzes).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pars_pro_toto
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From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Steven=
Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 17:28
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: jey' Sorpuq
> Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, April 18, 2017
>
> Klingon word: jey' Sorpuq
> Part of speech: noun
> Definition: bronze
> Source: qepHom 2016
jey'=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 tin (n)
Sorpuq=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 copper=
(n)
COMPARE:
'uSqan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 iron (=
n)
=C2=A0 ghav 'uSqan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 steel (n)
=C2=A0 velSo' 'uSqan=C2=A0 stainless steel (n)
ghav=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 carbon (n)
velSo'=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 chromi=
um (n)
SEE ALSO:
Qu=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 cast (metal) (v)
QumeH ngaSwI'=C2=A0 mold (for casting) (n)
baS=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 me=
tal (n)
--
Voragh
tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font=
-size:13px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14359">It also could=
be that Maltz isn't a metallurgist, and just gave us what he understood as=
the general term, not realizing there were distinctions.</div><div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14367"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_=
1_1492546280721_14368">ter'eS<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546=
280721_14324"><span></span></div><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_1=
6_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14323"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" i=
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rial"> <hr id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14369" size=3D"1"> <b><spa=
n style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@=
kth.se><br> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14405"><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14404">To:</s=
pan></b> "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org> <br> <b id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14403"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;" i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14402">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April=
18, 2017 3:21 PM<br> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14401"><span=
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Subject:</span></b> Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: jey' Sorpuq=
<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_=
1492546280721_14392"><br><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_149254628=
0721_14393">Presumably, "bronze" is only an approximate translation of {jey=
' Sorpuq}, and vice versa, as there are some forms of bronze which do not i=
nclude tin (and, at least in theory, some copper-bronze alloys which are no=
t bronzes).<br clear=3D"none">A historically notable example is arsenical b=
ronze. Arguably, translating "the Bronze Age" as {jey' Sorpuq bov} would be=
inaccurate, because it seems that arsenical bronze deserves nearly as much=
credit as tin bronze.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">That being said=
, it could also be an example of a pars pro toto synecdoche, where somethin=
g large (the set of all bronzes) is named for a particular example or subse=
t (the set of tin bronzes).<br clear=3D"none"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"htt=
ps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pars_pro_toto" target=3D"_blank" id=3D"yui_3_16_=
0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14394">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pars_pro_toto</=
a><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">________________=
________________________<br clear=3D"none">From: tlhIngan-Hol <<a shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org" href=3D"mai=
lto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_14925462807=
21_14399">tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org</a>> on behalf of Steven Bo=
ozer <<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" href=3D"=
mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>><br clear=3D"none"=
>Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 17:28<br clear=3D"none">To: <a shape=3D"rect=
" ymailto=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org" href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.o=
rg" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14395">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><b=
r clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: jey' =
Sorpuq<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">> Klingon Word of the Day fo=
r Tuesday, April 18, 2017<br clear=3D"none">><br clear=3D"none">> Kli=
ngon word: jey' Sorpuq<br clear=3D"none">> Part of speech: noun<br clear=
=3D"none">> Definition: bronze<br clear=3D"none">> Source: qepHom 201=
6<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">jey' &nbs=
p; tin (n)<br clear=3D"none">Sorpuq  =
; copper (n)<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
e">COMPARE:<br clear=3D"none">'uSqan &nbs=
p; iron (n)<br clear=3D"none"> ghav 'uSqan =
steel (n)<br clear=3D"none"> velSo' 'uSqan stainless =
steel (n)<br clear=3D"none">ghav c=
arbon (n)<br clear=3D"none">velSo' =
chromium (n)<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">SEE=
ALSO:<br clear=3D"none">Qu =
cast (metal) (v)<br clear=3D"none">QumeH ngaSw=
I' mold (for casting) (n)<br clear=3D"none">baS =
metal (n)<br clear=3D"non=
e"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">--<br clear=3D"none">Voragh<br cle=
ar=3D"none">tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'<br clear=3D"none">Ca'Non Master of the =
Klingons<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">__________=
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