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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Thu Mar 23 09:26:24 2017
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:26:19 +0000
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There's no punctuation in the Klingon, but it does show up in the English t=
ranslation:
mob qeylIS
ngeng HeHDaq yIt
SanDaj buS vaj 'It
qul ngeng HeHDaq
ba'taHvIS qeylIS
ghoS SuvwI' qan
And Kahless was alone
Walking along the shore,
His fate heavy on his shoulders.
Kahless sits at the shores
Of the lake of fire
As an old warrior passes by.
--Voragh
On Behalf Of Felix Malmenbeck
=3D=3D DISCUSSION ONLY: No new requests in this message. =3D=3D
>> mob qeylIS ngeng HeHDaq yIt
>> And Kahless was alone walking along the shore (PB)
> Should this be {mob ngeng HeHDaq yIt qeylIS} ?
The full stanza is:
mob qeylIS
ngeng HeHDaq yIt
SanDaj buS vaj 'It
The text of paq'batlh is mostly devoid of punctuation, but given both the g=
rammar and the line breaks, it's probably safe to assume that the Klingon t=
ext of the first two lines could be divided as: {mob qeylIS. ngeng HeHDaq y=
It. SanDaj buS, vaj 'It.}
A more literal translation of the Klingon text would probably be "Kahless w=
as alone. He walked by the lake's shore."
You could also have {mob. ngeng HeHDaq yIt qeylIS.} ("He was alone. Kahless=
walked by the lake's shore.")
However, I think that's a bit less clear; Morath is also involved in this c=
anto, so it's a good idea to clarify that you're talking about Kahless soon=
er rather than later.
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Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!
Should this be {mob ngeng HeHDaq yIt qeylIS} ?
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From : sboozer@uchicago.edu<mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu>
Date : 22/03/2017 - 17:22 (GMTST)
To : tlhingan-hol@kli.org<mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Subject : Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!
shore (lake) :
mob qeylIS ngeng HeHDaq yIt
And Kahless was alone walking along the shore (PB)
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lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:windowtext">There’s no punctuation in t=
he Klingon, but it does show up in the English translation:<br>
<br>
mob qeylIS <br>
ngeng HeHDaq yIt<br>
SanDaj buS vaj 'It<br>
<br>
qul ngeng HeHDaq <br>
ba'taHvIS qeylIS<br>
ghoS SuvwI' qan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:windowtext">And Kahless was alone
<br>
Walking along the shore,<br>
His fate heavy on his shoulders.<br>
<br>
Kahless sits at the shores <br>
Of the lake of fire<br>
As an old warrior passes by.<br>
<br>
--Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">On Behalf Of
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sans-serif;color:windowtext">Felix Malmenbeck<br>
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DISCUSSION</span> <span class=3D"il">ONLY</span>: No new requests in this m=
essage. =3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">&=
gt;> mob qeylIS ngeng HeHDaq yIt<br>
>> And Kahless was alone walking along the shore (PB)<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
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o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">&=
gt; Should this be {mob ngeng HeHDaq yIt qeylIS} ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">T=
he full stanza is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">m=
ob qeylIS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">n=
geng HeHDaq yIt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">S=
anDaj buS vaj 'It<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">T=
he text of paq'batlh is mostly devoid of punctuation, but given both the gr=
ammar and the line breaks, it's probably safe to assume that the Klingon te=
xt of the first two lines could be divided as:
{mob qeylIS. ngeng HeHDaq yIt. SanDaj buS, vaj 'It.}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">A=
more literal translation of the Klingon text would probably be "Kahle=
ss was alone. He walked by the lake's shore."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Y=
ou could also have {mob. ngeng HeHDaq yIt qeylIS.} ("He was alone. Kah=
less walked by the lake's shore.")<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">H=
owever, I think that's a bit less clear; Morath is also involved in this&nb=
sp;canto, so it's a good idea to clarify that you're talking=
about Kahless sooner rather than later.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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t.com">a.appleyard@btinternet.com</a>><br>
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<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a>=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!</span><span style=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Should this be {mob ngeng HeHDaq yIt qe=
ylIS}
</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#212=
121">?<br>
<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#212121">From :
<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a><br>
Date : 22/03/2017 - 17:22 (GMTST)<br>
To : <a href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br>
Subject : Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">shore (l=
ake) :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">mob qeylIS ngeng HeHDaq yIt
<br>
And Kahless was alone walking along the shore (PB)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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