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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Wed Mar 22 08:19:13 2017
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From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
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I wonder if maybe we should start flagging our e-mails to make it easier fo=
r qurgh to filter out the ones that don't contain any new requests to add t=
o his list. Something like:
=3D=3D DISCUSSION ONLY: No new requests in this message. =3D=3D
> peDwI' may mean:-
> - V:snow VS9:[agent|instrument]
There is some conflicting evidence regarding what the subject and object of=
{SIS}, which likely has a syntax similar to {peD}:
According to an e-mail by Roger Cheesbro:
> All correct. SISlu', altho grammaticlly correct, he didn't particularly
> like. Someone COULD use it but to me it sounds like they skipped science
> class and don't know what the subject is. You can also give it an object
> and say things like the clouds rained down cats and dogs. ...or something
> like that; you get the idea. But when Marc and I went outside and drops
> of water were falling on us, he looked up and simply said "SIS".
This would indicate that a {SISwI'} would actually be a rain cloud, rather =
than the rain itself, which would be {bIQ SISlu'bogh}.
However, in paq'batlh (paq'raD, Canto 13, Stanza 6), we have the sentence {=
chaHDaq SIStaHvIS 'Iw}, indicating that rainwater may indeed be described a=
s {SISwI'}.
It's very possible that {SIS} (and {peD}) have some sort of dual syntax, wh=
ere context and common sense dictate which reading is correct.
It's also worth noting that when it comes to rain and snow, the clouds and =
the matter that falls from them is really one and the same; just at differe=
nt stages. (Well, at least for the most part; a meteorologist may know of s=
ome exceptions to this.)
In any event, I fully support the request for a word for snow, whether it's=
a canonized modification of a known word or a whole new one.
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From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Anthon=
y Appleyard <a.appleyard@btinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 07:28
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org; tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org
Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!
peDwI' may mean:-
- V:snow VS9:[agent|instrument]
Nahuatl does the same: [tonatiuh] =3D "the sun" is an agent of a verb root =
that means "for the sun to shine".
----Original message----
From : sustel@trimboli.name
Date : 21/03/2017 - 15:08 (GMTST)
To : tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org
Subject : Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!
I think you are. Someone asked for the noun for snow, ...
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<p>I wonder if maybe we should start flagging our e-mails to make it easier=
for qurgh to filter out the ones that don't contain any new requests to ad=
d to his list. Something like:<br>
<br>
=3D=3D DISCUSSION ONLY: No new requests in this message. =3D=3D<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>> peDwI' may mean:-<br>
> - V:snow VS9:[agent|instrument]<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>There is some conflicting evidence regarding what the subject and object=
of {SIS}, which likely has a syntax similar to {peD}:</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>According to an e-mail by Roger Cheesbro:<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
> All correct. SISlu', altho grammaticlly correct, he didn't particularl=
y<br>
> like. Someone COULD use it but to me it sounds like they skipped scien=
ce<br>
> class and don't know what the subject is. You can also give it an obje=
ct<br>
> and say things like the clouds rained down cats and dogs. ...or someth=
ing<br>
> like that; you get the idea. But when Marc and I went outside and drop=
s<br>
> of water were falling on us, he looked up and simply said "SIS&qu=
ot;.
<p><br>
</p>
<p>This would indicate that a {SISwI'} would actually be a rain cloud, rath=
er than the rain itself, which would be {bIQ SISlu'bogh}.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>However, in paq'batlh (paq'raD, Canto 13, Stanza 6), we have the sentenc=
e {chaHDaq SIStaHvIS 'Iw}, indicating that rainwater may indeed be describe=
d as {SISwI'}.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>It's very possible that {SIS} (and {peD}) have some sort of du=
al syntax, where context and common sense dictate which reading is correct.=
</p>
<p>It's also worth noting that when it comes to rain and snow, the clouds a=
nd the matter that falls from them is really one and the same; just at diff=
erent stages. (Well, at least for the most part; a meteorologist may know o=
f some exceptions to this.)</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>In any event, I fully support the request for a word for snow, whether i=
t's a canonized modification of a known word or a whole new one.<br>
</p>
<p> <br>
</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 22, 2017 07:28<br>
<b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@kli.org; tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org<br>
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<div>peDwI' may mean:-<br>
- V:snow VS9:[agent|instrument]<br>
<br>
Nahuatl does the same: [tonatiuh] =3D "the sun" is an agent of a =
verb root that means "for the sun to shine".<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-right:0px; margin-left:15px">----Original messa=
ge----<br>
From : sustel@trimboli.name<br>
Date : 21/03/2017 - 15:08 (GMTST)<br>
To : tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org<br>
Subject : Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!<br>
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<p>I think you are. Someone asked for the noun for <i>snow,</i> ...</p>
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