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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Rendered fat
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Thu Feb 23 17:45:02 2017
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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 09:27:39 -0500
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On 2/23/2017 1:07 AM, Ed Bailey wrote:
> No, my argument that *-lu'wI'* might function as -ee in employee stems
> from the fact that if there's a *-lu'* on the verb, *-wI'* can't
> nominalize it as the subject, since there isn't any, so the next
> candidate is the object.
Next candidate? Where does it say you can look for another candidate?
Nothing in the explanation of *-wI'* says if there is no subject you can
use the object instead.
> Let me state for the record that I do not assert that *-lu'wI'* is
> good Klingon; I can't possibly know that. The safe bet is that it is
> not. I merely find the arguments against it, while persuasive, are not
> conclusive, and have presented my reasons for thinking this.
Good grief! Nobody ever said it was conclusive! We're talking about a
language of a fictional people, invented by a fallible man who made
errors, who is still adding to the official corpus. There's no such
thing as "conclusive." You've got a construction that does not follow
from the given rules, has never appeared in that corpus, and sure as
heck resembles an English syntax which the construction can be
translated into but whose syntax does not apply to the original. You can
call that "wrong" without declaring conclusiveness!
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/23/2017 1:07 AM, Ed Bailey wrote:<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:CABSTb1eM1bjfZ4b-dVnUBdhUMP1yeq6ibgJUvj3MoAOxh9MT9Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">No, my argument that <b>-lu'wI'</b> might function as
-ee in employee stems from the fact that if there's a <b>-lu'</b>
on the verb, <b>-wI'</b> can't nominalize it as the subject,
since there isn't any, so the next candidate is the object. </blockquote>
<br>
<p>Next candidate? Where does it say you can look for another
candidate? Nothing in the explanation of <b>-wI'</b> says if
there is no subject you can use the object instead.<br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CABSTb1eM1bjfZ4b-dVnUBdhUMP1yeq6ibgJUvj3MoAOxh9MT9Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Let me state for the record that I do not assert that
<b>-lu'wI'</b> is good Klingon; I can't possibly know that. The
safe bet is that it is not. I merely find the arguments against
it, while persuasive, are not conclusive, and have presented my
reasons for thinking this.</blockquote>
<br>
<p>Good grief! Nobody ever said it was conclusive! We're talking
about a language of a fictional people, invented by a fallible man
who made errors, who is still adding to the official corpus.
There's no such thing as "conclusive." You've got a construction
that does not follow from the given rules, has never appeared in
that corpus, and sure as heck resembles an English syntax which
the construction can be translated into but whose syntax does not
apply to the original. You can call that "wrong" without declaring
conclusiveness!</p>
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