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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] <> vImughlI'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brian Cote)
Sun Jan 15 21:34:27 2017
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From: Brian Cote <wearetheinformation00@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 21:34:22 -0500
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Thanks again. I do have some more specific grammar / usage
questions about the following sentences that I translated.
ej vaj ghaH QeHqu'moH qechna'vam 'ej bI'reS Qu'DajvaD
ghaH parqu'moH.
Disregarding your suggestions for recasting these sentences
for the moment.
{bI'reS} - I was intending to use it as a time stamp, as in
the {paq'batlh}, however, I'm thinking {wa'DIch} might have
been more appropriate here.
{Qu'DajvaD ghaH parqu'moH} - I'll explain my thinking here.
I was intending to write /(this idea specifically) caused him to
really dislike his duty/. I based this on the example of
{paqvaD qanejmoH}, but as I'm currently writing this,
I'm realizing that this probably falls under the category of
the "prefix trick", correct? I was thinking that {ghaH} would be
the explicit direct object and {Qu'Daj} would be the explicit
indirect object. This obviously didn't work, correct?
QImSIr
On Sunday, January 15, 2017, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 1/14/2017 8:10 PM, Brian Cote wrote:
>
> roD bIQ yu'eghDaq lIgh, DuQwI' jeqbogh che'wI' nuH'e' 'ochtaHvIS,
> 'e' luHar ghot law'. 'ej vaj ghaH QeHqu'moH qechna'vam 'ej bI'reS
> Qu'DajvaD ghaH parqu'moH.
> >What irritated him most =E2=80=94 and it was this that was chiefly respo=
nsible
> for his dissatisfaction with his job =E2=80=94 was to hear of the concept=
ions
> formed about him: how he was always riding about through the tides
> with his trident.
>
>
> I'm still having trouble following this; I think you're sticking too
> closely to the literal text and not thinking in Klingon about what it mea=
ns.
>
> *Many people believed he rode regularly on the water-waves, while holding=
*[I
> think you meant *'uch,* not *'och*] *the ruler's weapon which protrudes
> from spikes. And thus this definite idea made him very angry and it made
> the beginning of his job presentation very much dislike.*
>
> I'm pretty sure you got a couple of subjects and objects mixed up there.
>
> Try taking this paragraph apart in English (or German) into the simplest
> sentences you can, and list them in bullet-points. Use these points to
> create your Klingon sentences.
>
> yuQ bIQ'a'Daq ba'taHvIS, SImtaH. 'e' 'oH ghu' teH'e'. rut yupItIr
> SuchmeH, leng poSayDon. 'e' 'oH DaltaHbe'ghachDaj neH'e'.
> motlh cheghtaHvIS, QeH.
> >When all the while he sat here in the depths of the world-ocean,
> doing figures uninterruptedly, with now and then a trip to Jupiter
> as the only break in the monotony =E2=80=94 a trip, moreover, from which
> he usually returned in a rage.
>
>
> *DaltaHbe'ghach** break in the monotony*... very nice!
>
> I'm not going to say that *'e' 'oH **something**'e'* is necessarily
> wrong, but it feels wrong to me. You could replace the first one, for
> instance, with *ghu' teH 'oH ghu'vam'e'** this situation is the true
> situation.* But really you could probably reduce this to using *-bej* in
> the sentence.
>
> This paragraph is a little less convoluted than the first, but it could
> still use some working over.
>
> --
> SuStelhttp://trimboli.name
>
>
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<div>Thanks again. I do have some more specific grammar / usage=C2=A0</div>=
<div>questions about the following sentences that I translated.=C2=A0</div>=
<div><br></div><div>ej vaj ghaH QeHqu'moH qechna'vam 'ej bI'=
;reS Qu'DajvaD=C2=A0</div><div>ghaH parqu'moH.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Disregarding your suggestions for recasting these sentences=C2=A0</div=
><div>for the moment.</div><div><br></div><div>{bI'reS} - I was intendi=
ng to use it as a time stamp, as in</div><div>=C2=A0the {paq'batlh}, ho=
wever, I'm thinking {wa'DIch} might have=C2=A0</div><div>been more =
appropriate here.</div><div><br></div><div>{Qu'DajvaD ghaH parqu'mo=
H} - I'll explain my thinking here.</div><div>=C2=A0I was intending to =
write /(this idea specifically) caused him to=C2=A0</div><div>really dislik=
e his duty/. I based this on the example of</div><div>=C2=A0{paqvaD qanejmo=
H}, but as I'm currently writing this,</div><div>=C2=A0I'm realizin=
g that this probably falls under the category of=C2=A0</div><div>the "=
prefix trick", correct? I was thinking that {ghaH} would be</div><div>=
=C2=A0the explicit direct object and {Qu'Daj} would be the explicit</di=
v><div>=C2=A0indirect object. This obviously didn't work, correct?</div=
><div><br></div><div>QImSIr</div><div><br></div><br>On Sunday, January 15, =
2017, SuStel <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.na=
me</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
<div>On 1/14/2017 8:10 PM, Brian Cote wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>roD bIQ yu'eghDaq lIgh, DuQwI' jeqbogh che'wI' n=
uH'e'
'ochtaHvIS,=C2=A0</div>
<div>'e' luHar ghot law'. 'ej vaj ghaH QeHqu'moH =
qechna'vam 'ej
bI'reS=C2=A0</div>
<div>Qu'DajvaD ghaH parqu'moH.</div>
<div>>What irritated him most=E2=80=89=E2=80=94=E2=80=89and it was=
this that was
chiefly responsible=C2=A0</div>
<div>for his dissatisfaction with his job=E2=80=89=E2=80=94=E2=80=89w=
as to hear of the
conceptions=C2=A0</div>
<div>formed about him: how he was always riding about through the
tides=C2=A0</div>
<div>with his trident. <br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>I'm still having trouble following this; I think you're stic=
king
too closely to the literal text and not thinking in Klingon about
what it means.</p>
<p><i>Many people believed he rode regularly on the water-waves,
while holding </i>[I think you meant <b>'uch,</b> not <b>'o=
ch</b>]
<i>the ruler's weapon which protrudes from spikes. And thus this
definite idea made him very angry and it made the beginning of
his job presentation very much dislike.</i></p>
<p>I'm pretty sure you got a couple of subjects and objects mixed u=
p
there.</p>
<p>Try taking this paragraph apart in English (or German) into the
simplest sentences you can, and list them in bullet-points. Use
these points to create your Klingon sentences.<br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>yuQ bIQ'a'Daq ba'taHvIS, SImtaH. 'e' 'oH=
ghu' teH'e'. rut
yupItIr=C2=A0</div>
<div>SuchmeH, leng poSayDon. 'e' 'oH DaltaHbe'ghachDa=
j neH'e'.=C2=A0</div>
<div>motlh cheghtaHvIS, QeH.=C2=A0</div>
<div>>When all the while he sat here in the depths of the
world-ocean,=C2=A0</div>
<div>doing figures uninterruptedly, with now and then a trip to
Jupiter=C2=A0</div>
<div>as the only break in the monotony=E2=80=89=E2=80=94=E2=80=89a tr=
ip, moreover, from
which=C2=A0</div>
<div>he usually returned in a rage.=C2=A0</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p><b>DaltaHbe'ghach</b><i> break in the monotony</i>... very nice!=
</p>
<p>I'm not going to say that <b>'e' 'oH </b><i>somethin=
g</i><b>'e'</b>
is necessarily wrong, but it feels wrong to me. You could replace
the first one, for instance, with <b>ghu<i>' </i>teH 'oH
ghu'vam'e'</b><i> this situation is the true situation.=
</i> But
really you could probably reduce this to using <b>-bej</b> in the
sentence.</p>
<p>This paragraph is a little less convoluted than the first, but it
could still use some working over.<br>
</p>
<pre cols=3D"72">--=20
SuStel
<a href=3D"http://trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">http://trimboli.name</a>=
</pre>
</div>
</blockquote>
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