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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Quvar, QISmaS cake Davutta''a'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Mon Jan 2 14:16:28 2017
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Marc Okrand sometimes points out that Klingon is a spoken language first an=
d a written language second.
For example, he tends to care less than most of us do about whether or not =
a noun-noun compound is written as one word or two words.
There are some exceptions to this, however, such as his description about t=
he spelling distinction regarding {wabDo} vs. {wab Do}:
https://www.kli.org/activities/qepmey/qephommey/qephom-2016/
In any event, I suspect that punctuation might be less standardized in Klin=
gon than it is in English, and therefore be used mainly for the sake of cla=
rity and disambiguation.
When writing a single, simple sentence, as is often the case in TKD, punctu=
ation might not be considered very important, and might even be completely =
optional.
When writing poetry, punctuation might follow (or boldly subvert!) the stan=
dards of the form one is using.
I think it's almost certain that some conventions would be bound to one's p=
rofession, which might either be required by some authority or simply be wi=
dely espoused by the community.
For example, in science and engineering, as well as in law, where there is =
an emphasis on unambiguous communication, there would perhaps be particular=
conventions regarding how to demarcate sentences and list items, as well a=
s how to frame (or avoid) complex noun phrases.
Klingon linguists and literary critics might have their own set of punctuat=
ion marks used to denote stress, tone, pitch, syllable boundaries, vowel le=
ngth and whatever else.
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Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Quvar, QISmaS cake Davutta''a'
true, however the tkd isn't a poem and it doesn't use punctuation either
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 2 Jan 2017 5:59 pm, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com<mailto:de.vid.jonp=
in@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 31 December 2016 at 18:37, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com<mailto:mihk=
oun@gmail.com>> wrote:
> if you accept paq'batlh as valid, then you can't say to someone "use
> punctuation !". because if you do, you will be contradicting your own sel=
f.
ghuQ 'oH paq'batlh'e'. le'ba'.
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<p>Marc Okrand sometimes points out that Klingon is a spoken language first=
and a written language second.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>For example, he tends to care less than most of us do about whether or n=
ot a noun-noun compound is written as one word or two words.</p>
<p>There are some exceptions to this, however, such as his descri=
ption about the spelling distinction regarding {wabDo} vs. {wab D=
o}:</p>
<p><a href=3D"https://www.kli.org/activities/qepmey/qephommey/qephom-2016/"=
>https://www.kli.org/activities/qepmey/qephommey/qephom-2016/</a></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>In any event, I suspect that punctuation might be less standardized in K=
lingon than it is in English, and therefore be used mainly for the sake of =
clarity and disambiguation.</p>
<p>When writing a single, simple sentence, as is often the case in TKD, pun=
ctuation might not be considered very important, and might even be complete=
ly optional.</p>
<p>When writing poetry, punctuation might follow (or boldly subve=
rt!) the standards of the form one is using.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I think it's almost certain that some conventions would be bound to one'=
s profession, which might either be required by some authority or simply be=
widely espoused by the community.</p>
<p>For example, in science and engineering, as well as in law, where there =
is an emphasis on unambiguous communication, there would perhaps be particu=
lar conventions regarding how to demarcate sentences and list items, as wel=
l as how to frame (or avoid) complex
noun phrases.</p>
<p>Klingon linguists and literary critics might have their own set of punct=
uation marks used to denote stress, tone, pitch, syllable boundaries, vowel=
length and whatever else.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
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<div dir=3D"auto">true, however the tkd isn't a poem and it doesn't use pun=
ctuation either<br>
<br>
<div>qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 2 Jan 2017 5:59 pm, "De'vID" <<a=
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On 31 December 2016 at 18:37, mayqel qunenoS <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@=
gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> if you accept paq'batlh as valid, then you can't say to someone "=
use<br>
> punctuation !". because if you do, you will be contradicting your=
own self.<br>
<br>
ghuQ 'oH paq'batlh'e'. le'ba'.<br>
<br>
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De'vID<br>
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