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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Quvar, QISmaS cake Davutta''a'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Sat Dec 31 11:21:35 2016
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 18:21:31 +0200
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however, there is a major difference between the {-'a'} and punctuation in
general.
if you are reading a sentence which contains a verb bearing the {-'a'}, or
a sentence starting with any question word, there is no way you can't
realize instantly that it is a question.
but if you are trying to read a passage with no commas and periods, then
good luck, especially in klingon.
one of the reasons I refuse to read paq'batlh is exactly this lack of
punctuation. the problem isn't the lack of question marks; its having to be
a psychic in order to understand where everything starts and stops.
whenever voragh quotes the paq'batlh, and I am trying to read just a few
sentences, I feel like smashing my phone against the wall.
I can't help but hear myself saying "how the f*** am I supposed to
understand this" ?
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 31 Dec 2016 5:00 pm, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 12/31/2016 9:30 AM, Lieven wrote:
>
> Am 31.12.2016 um 15:17 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
>
> Some time ago I decided to stop using question marks, because I decided
> that they are unnecessary.
>
>
> Why did you decide that. Don't you think it looks strange. Would it look
> strange in English.
>
> On the other hand, I believe that other punctuation marks are definitely
> necessary.
>
>
> Not really
> It's the same in English
> When you write one line per phrase it's clear the sentence is over
> If you have longer phrases that are longer than one line and may jump into
> the following line you can just leave a space to mark a ne phrase like I am
> doing now
>
> This is the next phrase
>
> So saying that punctuation is necessary contradicts your saying that the
> qustion mark is not :-)
>
>
> Well, technically, line endings are also punctuation. But capitalization,
> alternate typefaces, horizontal and vertical spacing, and marks are all
> used to improve the readability of writing, refined* over thousands of
> years. Earlier writing often eschewed punctuation, showing it's not
> strictly necessary. But it helps a lot. Messing around with it is a
> disservice to your readers.
>
> * But the modern ignorance of the difference between text figures and
> lining figures is nothing short of a crime!
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">however, there is a major difference between the {-'a=
'} and punctuation in general.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">if you are reading a sentence which contains a verb bearing the {-'=
;a'}, or a sentence starting with any question word, there is no way yo=
u can't realize instantly that it is a question.</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">but if you are trying to read a passage with n=
o commas and periods, then good luck, especially in klingon.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">one of the reasons I refuse to read p=
aq'batlh is exactly this lack of punctuation. the problem isn't the=
lack of question marks; its having to be a psychic in order to understand =
where everything starts and stops.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">whenever voragh quotes the paq'batlh, and I am trying to rea=
d just a few sentences, I feel like smashing my phone against the wall.</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I can't help but hear m=
yself saying "how the f*** am I supposed to understand this" ?<br=
><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"auto">qunnoH jan puqloD=
<br>ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'<br></div></div></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 31 Dec 2016 5:00 pm, &q=
uot;SuStel" <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimbol=
i.name</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">
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<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
<div class=3D"m_-1402518030185919446moz-cite-prefix">On 12/31/2016 9:30=
AM, Lieven wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Am 31.12.2016 um 15:17 schrieb mayqel qunenoS=
:
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"color:#000000">Some time ago I
decided to stop using question marks, because I decided
<br>
that they are unnecessary.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Why did you decide that. Don't you think it looks strange. Would
it look strange in English.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"color:#000000">On the other hand,
I believe that other punctuation marks are definitely
<br>
necessary.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Not really
<br>
It's the same in English
<br>
When you write one line per phrase it's clear the sentence is ove=
r
<br>
If you have longer phrases that are longer than one line and may
jump into the following line you can just leave a space to mark a
ne phrase like I am doing now
<br>
<br>
This is the next phrase
<br>
<br>
So saying that punctuation is necessary contradicts your saying
that the qustion mark is not <span class=3D"m_-1402518030185919446moz=
-smiley-s1" title=3D":-)"><span>:-)</span></span></blockquote>
<br>
<p>Well, technically, line endings are also punctuation. But
capitalization, alternate typefaces, horizontal and vertical
spacing, and marks are all used to improve the readability of
writing, refined* over thousands of years. Earlier writing often
eschewed punctuation, showing it's not strictly necessary. But it
helps a lot. Messing around with it is a disservice to your
readers.</p>
<p>* But the modern ignorance of the difference between text figures
and lining figures is nothing short of a crime!<br>
</p>
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