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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] {-rup} or {-beH} ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Thu Dec 29 08:41:17 2016
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 15:41:13 +0200
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I just thought of an additional example.
the surgeon start to perform an osteotomy, and before the saw cuts through
the opposite cortex, he says {ghorrup Homvam}.
and another one: "a white blood cell is ready to attack the invading
organism" {yotta'bogh yugh HIvrup 'Iw HanDI' chIS}.
the possibilities are truly endless.. anyway, I think that {-rup} is the
way to go.
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 29 Dec 2016 3:34 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that since bone is something alive, and since usually it "warns"
> you that it is ready to break (through pain), then the {-rup} is more
> appropriate than {-beH}.
>
> qunnoH jan puqloD
> ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
>
> On 29 Dec 2016 3:26 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> nagh 'ughqu' 'uchmo' ghorrup 'uSDaq.
>> because he was holding a very heavy rock his leg was ready to break.
>>
>> besides this example, if a bone of the leg e.g. tibia, has a large
>> osteolytic area, then (depending on various criteria) that bone can be
>> ready to break. it is what we call "impending fracture".
>>
>> qunnoH jan puqloD
>> ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
>>
>> On 29 Dec 2016 3:16 pm, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 29.12.2016 um 13:38 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
>>>
>>>> In order to indicate that a person is ready to do whatever we use
>>>> {-rup}.
>>>>
>>>> In order to indicate that a device is ready to do whatever we use
>>>> {-beH}.
>>>>
>>>> If however we want to say "his leg was ready to break", do we say
>>>> {ghorrup 'uSDaj} or {ghorbeH 'uSDaj} ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> How do you know the leg was ready? If there is a flashing light
>>> indicating it, use -beH. It the leg told you it's ready, then use -rup.
>>>
>>> I think that body parts, or anything else aside from beings and
>>> machines, can "be ready" in the sense you want to express. It seems like an
>>> english language idea which just does not exist in Klingon.
>>>
>>> If you still ask how to express that, ask yourself what you want to say.
>>> Explain it to me: What does it mean, "the leg was ready to break"?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lieven L. Litaer
>>> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
>>> Grammarian of the KLI
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<div dir=3D"auto">I just thought of an additional example.<div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">the surgeon start to perform an osteotomy, and=
before the saw cuts through the opposite cortex, he says {ghorrup Homvam}.=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">and another one: "=
a white blood cell is ready to attack the invading organism" {yotta=
9;bogh yugh HIvrup 'Iw HanDI' chIS}.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">the possibilities are truly endless.. anyway, I think =
that {-rup} is the way to go.<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature=
" dir=3D"auto">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'=
;<br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On 29 Dec 2016 3:34 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribut=
ion"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I think that since bo=
ne is something alive, and since usually it "warns" you that it i=
s ready to break (through pain), then the {-rup} is more appropriate than {=
-beH}.<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>=
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 29 Dec 2016 3:26 pm, "mayqel=
qunenoS" <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">m=
ihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">nagh 'ughqu' 'uchmo' ghorru=
p 'uSDaq.<div dir=3D"auto">because he was holding a very heavy rock his=
leg was ready to break.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>besides this example, if a bone of the leg e.g. tibia, has a large osteoly=
tic area, then (depending on various criteria) that bone can be ready to br=
eak. it is what we call "impending fracture".<br><br><div data-sm=
artmail=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"auto">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>ghoghwIj Habl=
I'vo' vIngeHta'<br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 29 Dec 2016 3:16 pm, "Lieven" =
<<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a=
>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 29.1=
2.2016 um 13:38 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
In order to indicate that a person is ready to do whatever we use {-rup}.<b=
r>
<br>
In order to indicate that a device is ready to do whatever we use {-beH}.<b=
r>
<br>
If however we want to say "his leg was ready to break", do we say=
<br>
{ghorrup 'uSDaj} or {ghorbeH 'uSDaj} ?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
How do you know the leg was ready? If there is a flashing light indicating =
it, use -beH. It the leg told you it's ready, then use -rup.<br>
<br>
I think that body parts, or anything else aside from beings and machines, c=
an "be ready" in the sense you want to express. It seems like an =
english language idea which just does not exist in Klingon.<br>
<br>
If you still ask how to express that, ask yourself what you want to say. Ex=
plain it to me: What does it mean, "the leg was ready to break"?<=
br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
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