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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] to qaStaHvIS or not to qaStaHvIS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Tue Dec 27 14:24:50 2016
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 21:24:35 +0200
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thank you ca'non master !
however before I sleep, there is a final question I need to ask, in order
to verify that I accurately understood this matter.
if I want to say "for many years, I have my phone's sound level set at
maximum", then there are two options:
{DIS law', ghoghwIj HablI'vaD wab 'aqroS patlh vIlo'}
or
{qaStaHvIS DIS law', ghoghwIj HablI'vaD wab 'aqroS patlh vIlo'}
if I understand correctly what was said so far, then at this example the
{qaStaHvIS} is unnecessary, right ? we can use it if we want, but it isn't
necessary, right ?
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
SuvwI'pu'qoq Hol tughojmoHta'mo' Satlho'
On 27 Dec 2016 8:53 pm, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> Use the corresponding verbs {Qoj} or {ghob}:
>
>
>
>
>
> (KGT 47): In parallel fashion, any specific *battle* is {*may'}*, but
> the concept of battle is {*vIq}*, often translated as *combat*.
> Similarly, there are several verbs for *fight*, *battle*, and the like.
> Most broadly, *do battle* or *wage war*--that is, actually engage in a
> conflict in which a number of combatants are involved--is {*ghob}*. The
> notion of *make war* in the general sense, referring to the *idea* of war
> and not a *specific* war, is {*Qoj}*. The verb for *fight*, whether in a
> war or a one-on-one confrontation, is {*Suv}*. In short, the nouns {*veS}*
> (*war, warfare*) and {*vIq}* (*combat*) and the verb {*Qoj}* (*wage war*)
> all are used to refer to the ideas of warfare, combat, and making war,
> while the nouns {*noH}* (*war*) and {*may'}* (*battle*) and the verbs {
> *ghob}* (*make war*, *do battle*) and {*Suv}* (*fight*) are used when
> referring to specific, concrete instances of war, battle, and fighting.
> Thus it is possible to say ... {*may' ghob}* or {*may' Suv}*, meaning *He/she
> fights a battle*, but it is not normally acceptable to say ... {*vIq Suv}*
> (*He/she fights a combat*).
>
>
>
> --Voragh
>
>
> *On Behalf Of *mayqel qunenoS
>
> SuStel:
>
> > I don't think one can yIn a may'
>
>
>
> hehehe.. you're right ! I just couldn't think of any other word !
>
> qunnoH jan puqloD
> ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
>
>
>
> On 27 Dec 2016 8:29 pm, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>
> On 12/27/2016 1:24 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>
> SuStel:
>
> > like a single fight during a period of three
>
> > years
>
>
>
> I guess this means something like:
>
>
>
> {qaStaHvIS wej DIS wa' may' neH wIyIn}
>
> we only had one battle during three years
>
>
>
> right ?
>
>
>
> Er... I don't think one can *yIn* a *may'*... But *qaStaHvIS wej DIS wa'
> may' neH wISuv* would be correct.
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">thank you ca'non master !<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">however before I sleep, there is a final question I need =
to ask, in order to verify that I accurately understood this matter.<br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">if I want to say "for=
many years, I have my phone's sound level set at maximum", then t=
here are two options:</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">{D=
IS law', ghoghwIj HablI'vaD wab 'aqroS patlh vIlo'}</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">or</div><div dir=3D"auto">{qaStaHvIS DIS law',=C2=A0<sp=
an style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">ghoghwIj HablI'vaD wab 'aqroS p=
atlh vIlo'}</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br=
></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">if I understand c=
orrectly what was said so far, then at this example the {qaStaHvIS} is unne=
cessary, right ? we can use it if we want, but it isn't necessary, righ=
t ?<br></font><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"auto">qunn=
oH jan puqloD<br>ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'<br>SuvwI'pu&#=
39;qoq Hol tughojmoHta'mo' Satlho'</div></div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 27 Dec 2016 8:53 pm, &qu=
ot;Steven Boozer" <<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" target=
=3D"_blank">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_6329305660450929162WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">Use the corresponding verbs {Qoj} or {g=
hob}:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">(KGT 47):=C2=A0 =
In parallel fashion, any specific
<i>battle</i> is {<b>may'}</b>, but the concept of battle is {<b>vIq}</=
b>, often translated as
<i>combat</i>. Similarly, there are several verbs for <i>fight</i>, <i>batt=
le</i>, and the like. Most broadly,
<i>do battle</i> or <i>wage war</i><s>--</s>that is, actually engage in a c=
onflict in which a number of combatants are involved<s>--</s>is {<b>ghob}</=
b>. The notion of
<i>make war</i> in the general sense, referring to the <u>idea</u> of war a=
nd not a
<u>specific</u> war, is {<b>Qoj}</b>. The verb for <i>fight</i>, whether in=
a war or a one-on-one confrontation, is {<b>Suv}</b>. In short, the nouns =
{<b>veS}</b> (<i>war, warfare</i>) and {<b>vIq}</b> (<i>combat</i>) and the=
verb {<b>Qoj}</b> (<i>wage war</i>)
all are used to refer to the ideas of warfare, combat, and making war, whi=
le the nouns {<b>noH}</b> (<i>war</i>) and {<b>may'}</b> (<i>battle</i>=
) and the verbs {<b>ghob}</b> (<i>make war</i>,
<i>do battle</i>) and {<b>Suv}</b> (<i>fight</i>) are used when referring t=
o specific, concrete instances of war, battle, and fighting. Thus it is pos=
sible to say ... {<b>may' ghob}</b> or {<b>may' Suv}</b>, meaning
<i>He/she fights a battle</i>, but it is not normally acceptable to say ...=
{<b>vIq Suv}</b> (<i>He/she fights a combat</i>).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">--Voragh<br>
<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">On Behalf Of
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
sans-serif">mayqel qunenoS<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">SuStel:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">> I don't think one can yIn a may'<u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">hehehe.. you're r=
ight ! I just couldn't think of any other word !<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 27 Dec 2016 8:29 pm, "SuStel" <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</=
a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 12/27/2016 1:24 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:<u></u><=
u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">SuStel: <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">> like a single fight during a period of three=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">> years<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I guess this means something like:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">{qaStaHvIS wej DIS wa' may' neH wIyIn}<u></u=
><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">we only had one battle during three years<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">right ?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:16.2pt">Er... I don't think one can <b>yIn</b> =
a <b>may'</b>... But
<b>qaStaHvIS wej DIS wa' may' neH wISuv</b> would be correct. <u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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