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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: joj
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Tue Dec 27 13:18:36 2016
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 20:18:32 +0200
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voragh:
> They are "area nouns" just like {joj} "area between", {bIng} "area below, area under", etc
yes, but rarely do we get to see a {joj} or a {bIng}, without a noun
preceeding them. lets try this another way..
would you accept this as correct ?
{DungDaq bIngDaq je 'altaHvIS 'IDnar pIn'a'}
while the sorcerer is levitating above and below
in this example the reader could become confused as to "while the
sorcerer is levitating above and below of what ?".
my problem has to do, with the fact that when we use a stand-alone
{poSDaq}, {nIHDaq}, {DungDaq}, {bIngDaq} etc, the reader could get
confused as to the "in reference to where" these locatives apply. at
the above/below/left/right of where ?
qunnoH jan puqloD
On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> mayqel qunenoS :
>>> poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu', chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI'
>>> The initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors. S9
>>
>> I am somewhat surprised by seeing the {poS} and {nIH} being
>> used without being in direct reference to a noun.
>>
>> I would expect something like {SuvwI' poSDaq nIHDaq je..}[]
>
> {poSDaq nIHDaq je} does refer to a noun - the subject of the subordinate clause they are in - and precedes the verb {QamtaHvIS} because that is where place-stamps and other adverbials go:
>
> "While warriors are standing on the right (side) and on
> the left (side), the initiate ("celebrant" must walk
> (in the area) between them."
>
> Many people forget that {poS} "left (side)" and {nIH} "right (side)" are nouns in Klingon, not qualities. They are "area nouns" just like {joj} "area between", {bIng} "area below, area under", etc.
>
>
>
> --
> Voragh
> tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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