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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] {-lIvIS}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Fri Dec 23 08:54:01 2016
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:53:39 +0200
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mIp'av:
> As for rovers, does anyone even have a
> definite idea what effect {-qu'} or {-be'} would
> have following {-taH} ?
lets write an example..
{jIvumtaH} "I am continuously working".
{jIvumtaHqu'} "I am very much continuously working". I would understand
this as someone trying to emphasize the "continuously", though I can't say
that in my mind there is much difference between the {-taH} and the
{-taHqu'}. after all there are 24 hours in the day, right ? If someone says
"I am working continuously", then the maximum I can understand is those 24
hours. I don't see how the {-qu'}, can add more to this.
{jIvumtaHbe'} "I am not continuously working". I think this does make
sense, and its ok to use it.
now, if your original question was with regards to rovers being placed
after the {-taH} in the {-taHvIS}, then I think that the resulting sentence
wouldn't make sense.
"while I am very much continuously working", "while I am not continuously
working". I don't know.. I just can't *feel* what exactly these sentence
could mean, or in which situations they would be appropriate.
let alone the fact, that if we were to apply a rover in the aforementioned
manner, then why place it right after the {-taH}, and not after the
{-taHvIS} ? the way I understand it, practically, the {-vIS} and {-taHvIS}
are essentially the same. so, if we were to apply a rover, we could place
it right after the {-taHvIS}, thus avoiding splitting them up, since they
always seem to like so much each other.
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 23 Dec 2016 3:07 pm, "Ed Bailey" <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:15 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> but as you cleverly pointed out, there is a problem with the placement
>> of {-neS}. If I want to say "while you were doing me the honor of
>> being present", then is the {bISaHtaHneSvIS} correct ?
>
>
> There's no rule against it. I was just supposing. But I'm pretty sure
> there is no canon example of any suffix occurring between {-taH} and
> {-vIS}. I can only speak for myself, but I expect for most {-neS} would
> seem like a weird interruption, and if {-neS} were called for, would add it
> to the main clause instead. (As for rovers, does anyone even have a
> definite idea what effect {-qu'} or {-be'} would have following {-taH}?)
>
> ~mIp'av
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<div dir=3D"auto">mIp'av:<div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0<span style=3D"fon=
t-family:sans-serif">As for rovers, does anyone even have a=C2=A0</span></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">> definite i=
dea what effect {-qu'} or {-be'} would</span></div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">> have following {-taH} ?</span=
></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">lets write a=
n example..</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-s=
erif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-se=
rif">{jIvumtaH} "</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">I am co=
ntinuously working".</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font=
-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-=
family:sans-serif">{jIvumtaHqu'} "</span><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:sans-serif">I am very much continuously working". I would understand=
this as someone trying to emphasize the "continuously", though I=
can't say that in my mind there is much difference between the {-taH} =
and the {-taHqu'}. after all there are 24 hours in the day, right ? If =
someone says "I am working continuously", then the maximum I can =
understand is those 24 hours. I don't see how the {-qu'}, can add m=
ore to this.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-=
serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-s=
erif">{jIvumtaHbe'} "I am not continuously working". I think =
this does make sense, and its ok to use it.</span><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family=
:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:=
sans-serif">now, if your original question was with regards to rovers being=
placed after the {-taH} in the {-taHvIS}, then I think that the resulting =
sentence wouldn't make sense.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif">"while I am very much continuously working=
", "while I am not continuously working". I don't know..=
I just can't *feel* what exactly these sentence could mean, or in whic=
h situations they would be appropriate.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span=
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">let alone the fact, that if we were to app=
ly a rover in the aforementioned manner, then why place it right after the =
{-taH}, and not after the {-taHvIS} ? the way I understand it, practically,=
the {-vIS} and {-taHvIS} are essentially the same. so, if we were to apply=
a rover, we could place it right after the {-taHvIS}, thus avoiding splitt=
ing them up, since they always seem to like so much each other.</span></div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font><div data-smartmail=
=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"auto">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>ghoghwIj HablI'v=
o' vIngeHta'</div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">On 23 Dec 2016 3:07 pm, "Ed Bailey" <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com">bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com<=
/a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:15 AM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"lt=
r"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail=
.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
but as you cleverly pointed out, there is a problem with the placement<br>
of {-neS}. If I want to say "while you were doing me the honor of<br>
being present", then is the {bISaHtaHneSvIS} correct ?</blockquote><di=
v><br></div><div>There's no rule against it. I was just supposing. But =
I'm pretty sure there is no canon example of any suffix occurring betwe=
en {-taH} and {-vIS}. I can only speak for myself, but I expect for most {-=
neS} would seem like a weird interruption, and if {-neS} were called for, w=
ould add it to the main clause instead. (As for rovers, does anyone even ha=
ve a definite idea what effect {-qu'} or {-be'} would have followin=
g {-taH}?)<br><br></div><div>~mIp'av <br></div></div></div></div>
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