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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] {-lIvIS}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ed Bailey)
Thu Dec 22 14:06:13 2016
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From: Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:06:08 -0500
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On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> indeed..
>
> while I was writing this, I knew that it would come down to "because
> maltz said so". but I just can't see the logic of this rule.
>
In-universe, this rule is descriptive, and might be stated this way because
of an oversight (that the 23rd century linguist, who also happens to be
named Marc Okrand, either knows that {-lI'} is occasionally used with
{-vIS}, but forgot to mention it, or he hadn't listened to enough Klingon
to discover this exception). Alternatively, the 23rd century linguist might
be stating the rule precisely as he means to, but without further
explanation that he could give, perhaps that he has discovered that
Klingons' use of {-taHvIS} is so ingrained that saying *{-lI'vIS} seems
wrong to them, and perhaps they won't even tolerate an intervening {-neS}
or rover.
~mIp'av
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun=
@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">indeed..<br>
<br>
while I was writing this, I knew that it would come down to "because<b=
r>
maltz said so". but I just can't see the logic of this rule.<br></=
blockquote><div><br>=C2=A0</div></div>In-universe, this rule is descriptive=
, and might be stated this way because of an oversight (that the 23rd centu=
ry linguist, who also happens to be named Marc Okrand, either knows that {-=
lI'} is occasionally used with {-vIS}, but forgot to mention it, or he =
hadn't listened to enough Klingon to discover this exception). Alternat=
ively, the 23rd century linguist might be stating the rule precisely as he =
means to, but without further explanation that he could give, perhaps that =
he has discovered that Klingons' use of {-taHvIS} is so ingrained that =
saying *{-lI'vIS} seems wrong to them, and perhaps they won't even =
tolerate an intervening {-neS} or rover.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra">~mIp'av<br></div></div>
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