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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] paq'batlh mu'tlhegh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Sun Dec 18 08:19:55 2016
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 15:19:51 +0200
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however, if De'vID's analysis (that the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is a noun) is
correct, then this raises the question:
why at the tkd we have {jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'} instead of {naDev
jIHtaHbogh vISovbe'} ?
Unless of course, the rule could be assumed, that in {-bogh}ed locatives,
the locative can either follow or precede the {-bogh}.
But whatever the case, this is all speculative thus unable to be accepted
and put to practice.
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 18 Dec 2016 3:08 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree. Obviously there is grammar here, which we don't yet know. Because
> of this reason, attempts to analyze sentences like the aforementioned one
> are futile.
>
> let alone draw conclusions, which we could employ in our daily writing.
> Obviously this is another {ngIq} case..
>
> qunnoH jan puqloD
> ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
>
> On 18 Dec 2016 2:55 pm, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>
>> On 12/18/2016 6:52 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>>
>> When De'vID wrote that the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is a noun, I wrote that the
>> only way this can take place is if the {naDev} is considered to be the
>> object of the {jIHtaHbogh}. But if that was true, then the translation
>> could only be "the here which I am being".
>>
>>
>> Unless "to be" sentences don't follow the usual rules of having subjects
>> and objects per se. What, for instance, is the subject of *tlhIngan ghaH*?
>> And if it's *gha**H,* then what's the verb? And if there is no verb,
>> then what's the *ghaH* doing in *tlhIngan ghaH yaS'e'*?
>>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">however, if De'vID's analysis (that the {naDev jIHta=
Hbogh} is a noun) is correct, then this raises the question:</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">why at the tkd we have {jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'} inste=
ad of {naDev jIHtaHbogh vISovbe'} ?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Unless of course, the rule could be assumed, that in {-bogh}=
ed locatives, the locative can either follow or precede the {-bogh}.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">But whatever the case, this is all speculative thus unable t=
o be accepted and put to practice.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 18 Dec 2016 3:=
08 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">=
mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">I agree. Obviously there is grammar here, whic=
h we don't yet know. Because of this reason, attempts to analyze senten=
ces like the aforementioned one are futile.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">let alone draw conclusions, which we could employ in our dai=
ly writing. Obviously this is another {ngIq} case..</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 18 Dec 2016 2:=
55 pm, "SuStel" <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" targe=
t=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=3D"m_-6940616413592914283m_-3108628246009833230moz-cite-pref=
ix">On 12/18/2016 6:52 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">When De'vID wrote that the {naDev jIHtaHb=
ogh} is a
noun, I wrote that the only way this can take place is if the
{naDev} is considered to be the object of the {jIHtaHbogh}. But if
that was true, then the translation could only be "the here whic=
h
I am being".</blockquote>
<br>
<p>Unless "to be" sentences don't follow the usual rules =
of having
subjects and objects per se. What, for instance, is the subject of
<b>tlhIngan ghaH</b>? And if it's <b>gha</b><b>H,</b> then what&#=
39;s
the verb? And if there is no verb, then what's the <b>ghaH</b>
doing in <b>tlhIngan ghaH yaS'e'</b>?<br>
</p>
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