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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] paq'batlh mu'tlhegh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brian Cote)
Sun Dec 18 06:18:30 2016
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From: Brian Cote <wearetheinformation00@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 06:18:27 -0500
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Slightly beside mayqel's point, but in the phrase {naDev jIHtaH} /I am
here/ (see TKD 27-28pp), the {naDev} is implicitly locative, right? So it
can never mean /I am the here/(?) It should be considered {naDev[Daq]
jIHtaH} grammatically, although the {-Daq} is never written explicitly in
this case. That is correct, right?
QImSIr
On Sunday, December 18, 2016, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> > DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja'."
> > /Now I will tell you why I am here./
>
> if the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is indeed a noun, them I believe this resembles
> the "ship in which I fled" problem.
>
> if we accept the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} as a noun, then obviously by the same
> reasoning we need to accept {Duj jInarghbogh} as a noun too, unless the
> {naDev} is the object of {jIHtaHbogh}, thus producing "the here which I am
> being".
>
> of course in star trek everything is possible, so perhaps someone can
> change state of being thus from a humanoid becoming a place.. but then
> again the english translation doesn't say "now I will tell you why I became
> the here".
>
> qunnoH jan puqloD
> ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
>
> On 17 Dec 2016 10:31 pm, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sustel@trimboli.name');>> wrote:
>
>> On 12/17/2016 1:40 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>>
>> ok, I read it; {jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'}.
>>
>> however based on what I know, I can't analyze it. "here which I am being
>> I don't know it". shouldn't the {naDev} always come first ? and what is its
>> role in that sentence ? is it the subject of the {jIHtaHbogh}, the object
>> of {vISovbe'}, or both ?
>>
>> as I wrote earlier in this thread, I am obviously missing something here,
>> and by the looks of it, it must be something pretty important..
>>
>>
>> I've never heard a satisfactory analysis of the sentence either. But
>> Okrand obviously has one to use the *jIHtaHbogh* word more than once.
>>
>> --
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Slightly beside mayqel's=C2=A0point, but in the phrase {naDev jIHtaH} /=
I am here/ (see=C2=A0TKD 27-28pp),=C2=A0the {naDev} is implicitly locative,=
right? So it can never mean /I am the here/(?) It should be considered {na=
Dev[Daq] jIHtaH} grammatically, although the {-Daq} is never written explic=
itly=C2=A0in this case. That is correct, right?<div><br></div><div>QImSIr<b=
r><br>On Sunday, December 18, 2016, mayqel qunenoS <<a href=3D"mailto:mi=
hkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">> DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja'."<br>
> /Now I will tell you why I am here./</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">if the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is indeed a noun, them I believe t=
his resembles the "ship in which I fled" problem.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">if we accept the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} as a noun, then obviousl=
y by the same reasoning we need to accept {Duj jInarghbogh} as a noun too, =
unless the {naDev} is the object of {jIHtaHbogh}, thus producing "the =
here which I am being".</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">of course in star trek everything is possible, so perhaps so=
meone can change state of being thus from a humanoid becoming a place.. but=
then again the english translation doesn't say "now I will tell y=
ou why I became the here".</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 Dec 2016 10=
:31 pm, "SuStel" <<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml=
9;,'sustel@trimboli.name');" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name=
</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On 12/17/2016 1:40 PM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<p dir=3D"ltr">ok, I read it; {jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'}.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">however based on what I know, I can't analyze it.
"here which I am being I don't know it". shouldn'=
t the {naDev}
always come first ? and what is its role in that sentence ? is
it the subject of the {jIHtaHbogh}, the object of {vISovbe'}, o=
r
both ?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">as I wrote earlier in this thread, I am obviously
missing something here, and by the looks of it, it must be
something pretty important..</p>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>I've never heard a satisfactory analysis of the sentence either.
But Okrand obviously has one to use the <b>jIHtaHbogh</b> word
more than once.<br>
</p>
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