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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] paq'batlh mu'tlhegh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Sat Dec 17 13:40:20 2016
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Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 20:40:17 +0200
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ok, I read it; {jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'}.
however based on what I know, I can't analyze it. "here which I am being I
don't know it". shouldn't the {naDev} always come first ? and what is its
role in that sentence ? is it the subject of the {jIHtaHbogh}, the object
of {vISovbe'}, or both ?
as I wrote earlier in this thread, I am obviously missing something here,
and by the looks of it, it must be something pretty important..
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 17 Dec 2016 7:46 pm, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 12/17/2016 12:15 PM, Brian Cote wrote:
>
> Yes, the Paq'Batlh is definitely full of great/weird sentences like this.
>
> QImSIr
>
> On Saturday, December 17, 2016, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja'."
>>
>> /Now I will tell you why I am here./
>>
>> this is strange indeed. the english translation seems to be "now I will
>> tell you the reason which I am here". but this sounds wrong. so, if I was
>> to translate the english sentence to klingon, I would write:
>>
>> {DaH naDev jIHmoHtaHbogh meq Saja'}
>>
>> qunnoH jan puqloD
>> ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
>>
>> On 17 Dec 2016 8:01 am, "Brian Cote" <wearetheinformation00@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> povvam <paq'batlh>Daq mu'tlheghvam 'IH vItu':
>>>
>>> "DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja'."
>>> /Now I will tell you why I am here./
>>>
>>> toH, jaj naQ vIqeltaH, 'ej DaH jIghel vIneH.
>>>
>>> 'ach wa'DIch vIQIj:
>>>
>>> "jIHtaH meq" 'oHbe'chu' mu'tlhegh lugh, 'ej "naDev jIHtaH" 'oHbej
>>> mu'tlhegh lugh, 'ach "naDev jIHtaHbogh" 'oHlaH'a' /adverb/ lugh? lughnIS,
>>> qar'a'?
>>>
>>> QImSIr
>>>
>>
>
> See TKD page 172, first line.
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">ok, I read it; {jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'}.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">however based on what I know, I can't analyze it. "=
here which I am being I don't know it". shouldn't the {naDev} =
always come first ? and what is its role in that sentence ? is it the subje=
ct of the {jIHtaHbogh}, the object of {vISovbe'}, or both ?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">as I wrote earlier in this thread, I am obviously missing so=
mething here, and by the looks of it, it must be something pretty important=
..</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 Dec 2016 7:=
46 pm, "SuStel" <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">suste=
l@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
<div class=3D"m_-1747580297334197183moz-cite-prefix">On 12/17/2016 12:1=
5 PM, Brian Cote
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Yes, the Paq'Batlh is=C2=A0definitely=C2=
=A0full of great/weird
sentences like this.=C2=A0
<div><br>
</div>
<div>QImSIr<br>
<br>
On Saturday, December 17, 2016, mayqel qunenoS <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><a class=3D"m_-1747580297334197183mo=
z-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>mihkoun@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div align=3D"left">
<p dir=3D"ltr">DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja'."<br>
</p>
</div>
<p dir=3D"ltr">/Now I will tell you why I am here./</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">this is strange indeed. the english translation
seems to be "now I will tell you the reason which I am
here". but this sounds wrong. so, if I was to translate th=
e
english sentence to klingon, I would write:</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">{DaH naDev jIHmoHtaHbogh meq Saja'}</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 Dec 2016 8:01 am, "Brian
Cote" <<a>wearetheinformation00@gmail.c<wbr>om</a>>=
;
wrote:<br type=3D"attribution">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:rgb(69,69,69);font-family:UICTFontTextS=
tyleBody;font-size:17px;text-decoration:-webkit-letterpress;direction:inher=
it">povvam
<paq'batlh>Daq mu'tlheghvam 'IH vItu=
9;:=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(69,69,69);font-family:UICTFontTextS=
tyleBody;font-size:17px;text-decoration:-webkit-letterpress;direction:inher=
it"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(69,69,69);font-family:UICTFontTextS=
tyleBody;font-size:17px;text-decoration:-webkit-letterpress;direction:inher=
it">"DaH
naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja'."</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(69,69,69);font-family:UICTFontTextS=
tyleBody;font-size:17px;text-decoration:-webkit-letterpress;direction:inher=
it">/Now
I will tell you why I am here./</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(69,69,69);font-family:UICTFontTextS=
tyleBody;font-size:17px;text-decoration:-webkit-letterpress;direction:inher=
it"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(69,69,69);font-family:UICTFontTextS=
tyleBody;font-size:17px;text-decoration:-webkit-letterpress;direction:inher=
it">toH,
jaj naQ vIqeltaH, 'ej DaH jIghel vIneH.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(69,69,69);font-family:UICTFontTextS=
tyleBody;font-size:17px;text-decoration:-webkit-letterpress;direction:inher=
it"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(69,69,69);font-family:UICTFontTextS=
tyleBody;font-size:17px;text-decoration:-webkit-letterpress;direction:inher=
it">'ach
wa'DIch vIQIj:</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(69,69,69);font-family:UICTFontTextS=
tyleBody;font-size:17px;text-decoration:-webkit-letterpress;direction:inher=
it"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(69,69,69);font-family:UICTFontTextS=
tyleBody;font-size:17px;text-decoration:-webkit-letterpress;direction:inher=
it">"jIHtaH
meq" 'oHbe'chu' mu'tlhegh lugh, '=
;ej=C2=A0"naDev jIHtaH"
'oHbej mu'tlhegh lugh, 'ach=C2=A0"naDev =
jIHtaHbogh"
'oHlaH'a' /adverb/ lugh? lughnIS, qar'a&#=
39;?</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(69,69,69);font-family:UICTFontTextS=
tyleBody;font-size:17px;text-decoration:-webkit-letterpress;direction:inher=
it"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(69,69,69);font-family:UICTFontTextS=
tyleBody;font-size:17px;text-decoration:-webkit-letterpress;direction:inher=
it">QImSIr
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
See TKD page 172, first line.<br>
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