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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] ghorgh and nuqDaq next to nouns
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Fri Dec 16 07:21:29 2016
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 07:21:04 -0500
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:24 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> to continue on something which I asked yesterday..
>
> we said that we can't have {'Iv} and {nuq} as part of noun-noun
>
We can't? I thought {nuq} and {'Iv} just go into whatever noun spot
contains the missing information. Where is the rule that they can't be part
of a noun-noun construction, I must have missed it?
I would have expected the following to be grammatical:
{tIn 'Iv Duj} - Who's ship is big?
{Hab SoSwI' nuq} - My mother's what is smooth?
> constructions. but can we have the {ghorgh} and {nuqDaq} existing next
> to nouns ?
>
> for example can we say:
>
> {ghorgh DaSjaj mamej}
> when do we depart on monday ?
>
> {DaSjaj ghorgh mamej}
> on monday when do we depart
>
I would put {ghorgh} first (same with {chay'} and {qatlh}), so the listener
knows right away that it's a question, although as with a lot of the
chuvmey, they just "occur at the beginning of the sentence", and the
specific order is down to personal preference most of the time.
>
> {nuqDaq tera'Daq mIl'oDmey tu'lu'}
> where on earth someone finds bears ?
>
> {tera'Daq nuqDaq mIl'oDmey tu'lu'}
> on earth where someone finds bears ?
>
Since {nuqDaq} is a locative phrase just like {tera'Daq}, they can go
either way around, although I'd put it in the spot where's I'd expect the
answer to be:
tera'Daq nuqDaq mIl'oDmey tu'lu'? tera'Daq HuDaq mIl'oDmey tu'lu'.
qurgh
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On F=
ri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:24 AM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></=
span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">to contin=
ue on something which I asked yesterday..<br>
<br>
we said that we can't have {'Iv} and {nuq} as part of noun-noun<br>=
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>We can't? I thought {nuq} and {'Iv=
} just go into whatever noun spot contains the missing information. Where i=
s the rule that they can't be part of a noun-noun construction, I must =
have missed it?=C2=A0<br><br>I would have expected the following to be gram=
matical:<br><br>{tIn 'Iv Duj} - Who's ship is big?<br>{Hab SoSwI=
9; nuq} - My mother's what is smooth?</div><div>=C2=A0<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
constructions. but can we have the {ghorgh} and {nuqDaq} existing next<br>
to nouns ?<br>
<br>
for example can we say:<br>
<br>
{ghorgh DaSjaj mamej}<br>
when do we depart on monday ?<br>
<br>
{DaSjaj ghorgh mamej}<br>
on monday when do we depart<br></blockquote><div><br>I would put {ghorgh} f=
irst (same with {chay'} and {qatlh}), so the listener knows right away =
that it's a question, although as with a lot of the chuvmey, they just =
"occur at the beginning of the sentence", and the specific order =
is down to personal preference most of the time.=C2=A0<br>=C2=A0</div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
{nuqDaq tera'Daq mIl'oDmey tu'lu'}<br>
where on earth someone finds bears ?<br>
<br>
{tera'Daq nuqDaq mIl'oDmey tu'lu'}<br>
on earth where someone finds bears ?<br></blockquote><div><br>Since {nuqDaq=
} is a locative phrase just like {tera'Daq}, they can go either way aro=
und, although I'd put it in the spot where's I'd expect the ans=
wer to be:<br><br>tera'Daq nuqDaq mIl'oDmey tu'lu'? tera=
9;Daq HuDaq mIl'oDmey tu'lu'.<br><br>qurgh</div></div></div></d=
iv>
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