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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Something on the {vabDot}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Thu Dec 8 13:06:54 2016
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 20:06:51 +0200
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nIqolay Q:
> "You can obtain the Earth, which even the
> puny Federation cherishes".
hahaha ! this is perfect !
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 8 Dec 2016 8:03 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> if we consider vabDot to mean "even, moreover, including", then I think it
> makes sense to consider that it refers to the {boSuqlaH}, giving the
> meaning "you're even able to acquire" or "moreover you're able to acquire".
>
> but indeed, all this is speculation; however if it is an adverb then it
> *has* to refer to the {boSuqlaH}, right ? it is the only verb of the
> sentence it would be able to refer to. the other verb is the {Qej}, which
> is entangled in the {-bogh} thing (I don't know the grammar term), so it
> cannot be referring to that..
>
> qunnoH jan puqloD
> ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
>
> On 8 Dec 2016 7:56 pm, "nIqolay Q" <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The usual assumption is that {vabDot} is an adverbial meaning "even", in
>> the sense of emphasizing that something unexpected is indeed the case. But
>> we have no idea for sure, since Okrand's never given us a gloss of the
>> word. We don't even know 100% what part of speech it is. (Another word in
>> that sentence, {Qej}, also has an unknown precise meaning, though at least
>> we know it's a verb because of the -bogh.)
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At this canon sentence:
>>>
>>> Qo'noS romuluS je boSuqlaH. vabDot tera' Qejbogh DIvI' ram boSuqlaH.
>>> kronos, romulus and even the puny federation's precious earth, are all
>>> up for grabs.
>>>
>>> The {vabDot} is referring to the {boSuqlaH}, right ?
>>>
>>> qunnoH jan puqloD
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<p dir=3D"ltr">nIqolay Q:<br>
> =C2=A0"You can obtain the Earth, which even the<br>
> puny Federation cherishes".</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">hahaha ! this is perfect !</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 8 Dec 2016 8:0=
3 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">m=
ihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">if we consider vabDot to mean "even, more=
over, including", then I think it makes sense to consider that it refe=
rs to the {boSuqlaH}, giving the meaning "you're even able to acqu=
ire" or "moreover you're able to acquire".</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">but indeed, all this is speculation; however if it is an adv=
erb then it *has* to refer to the {boSuqlaH}, right ? it is the only verb o=
f the sentence it would be able to refer to. the other verb is the {Qej}, w=
hich is entangled in the {-bogh} thing (I don't know the grammar term),=
so it cannot be referring to that..</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 8 Dec 2016 7:5=
6 pm, "nIqolay Q" <<a href=3D"mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">The usual assumption is that {v=
abDot} is an adverbial meaning "even", in the sense of emphasizin=
g that something unexpected is indeed the case. But we have no idea for sur=
e, since Okrand's never given us a gloss of the word. We don't even=
know 100% what part of speech it is. (Another word in that sentence, {Qej}=
, also has an unknown precise meaning, though at least we know it's a v=
erb because of the -bogh.)<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, mayqel qunenoS <span di=
r=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkou=
n@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">At this=
canon sentence:<br>
<br>
Qo'noS romuluS je boSuqlaH. vabDot tera' Qejbogh DIvI' ram boSu=
qlaH.<br>
kronos, romulus and even the puny federation's precious earth, are all<=
br>
up for grabs.<br>
<br>
The {vabDot} is referring to the {boSuqlaH}, right ?<br>
<br>
qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
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