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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: Due to the refusal, the topic is forgotten
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John R. Harness)
Wed Dec 2 15:54:57 2015
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 14:54:47 -0600
From: "John R. Harness" <cartweel@gmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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I think as I was reading your sentence I had an idea of what you were up to
-- and, as QeS has shown, you actually were more right than either of us
knew! Qapla'! Generally the strategy you were using of basing your new
phrases on canonical examples is SUPERB -- and, as you can see, often opens
up possibilities that otherwise might be passed over.
{choleghpu'mo' SuHeghlI'} looks good!
Concerning agreement, you're right that there is nothing that says the
"you" in both sentences are somehow related; in other words, it is just as
ambiguous as in English.
Message: 6
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:17:51 -0500
From: Fatairae <fatairae@gmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: Due to the refusal, the topic is
forgotten
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Thanks for the response 'arHa.
Haha, was trying to say, "teacher, be not forgotten!". I guess I was
trying to use the -lu' as kind of a pseudo-passive voice marker, turning
forget into forgotten, as is done in some of the -lu' examples. (Deqawlu' -
you are remembered, from qaw - remember, TKD 4.2.5). I was unsure as to
how to work that with the imperative, since the subject is always you, and
I wanted a null object, and it didn't say anything to the ~contrary~....
Hehe.
As for 'e' and -mu', after looking back at the type 9's, I realized
they're all clause markers, so 'e' to create a sub clause was unnecessary.
So let's try that again:
choleghpu'mo' SuHeghlI'
Which brings up another question (due to my error in prefixes hehe):
agreement of person. Many you's are dying, because of one you. Need these
agree in Klingon, or does it allow the flexibility of addressing the
different groups? (I ask because I couldn't find anything related to
clause-person agreement in the TKD).
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">I think as I was rea=
ding your sentence I had an idea of what you were up to -- and, as QeS has =
shown, you actually were more right than either of us knew! Qapla'! Gen=
erally the strategy you were using of basing your new phrases on canonical =
examples is SUPERB -- and, as you can see, often opens up possibilities tha=
t otherwise might be passed over.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size=
:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">{choleghpu&=
#39;mo' SuHeghlI'} looks good!</span></div><span style=3D"font-size=
:12.8px"><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Concerning agreement, you're right that ther=
e is nothing that says the "you" in both sentences are somehow re=
lated; in other words, it is just as ambiguous as in English.</span></div><=
div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.8px"><br></span></div>Message: 6</span><br style=3D"font-size:1=
2.8px"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:17:51 -050=
0</span><br style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Fro=
m: Fatairae <</span><a href=3D"mailto:fatairae@gmail.com" style=3D"font-=
size:12.8px">fatairae@gmail.com</a><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">></s=
pan><br style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">To: &qu=
ot;</span><a href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org" style=3D"font-size:12.8px=
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n><a href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org" style=3D"font-size:12.8px">tlhing=
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8px"><br style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Thanks=
for the response 'arHa.</span><div><br style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=C2=A0 Haha, was trying to say, "teacher,=
be not forgotten!".=C2=A0 I guess I was trying to use the -lu' as=
kind of a pseudo-passive voice marker, turning forget into forgotten, as i=
s done in some of the -lu' examples. (Deqawlu' - you are remembered=
, from qaw - remember, TKD 4.2.5).=C2=A0 I was unsure as to how to work tha=
t with the imperative, since the subject is always you, and I wanted a null=
object, and it didn't say anything to the ~contrary~.... Hehe.</span><=
br style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><span style=3D=
"font-size:12.8px">=C2=A0 As for 'e' and -mu', after looking ba=
ck at the type 9's, I realized they're all clause markers, so '=
e' to create a sub clause was unnecessary.=C2=A0 So let's try that =
again:</span><br style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=
<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">choleghpu'mo' SuHeghlI'</span>=
<br style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.8px">Which brings up another question (due to my error in =
prefixes hehe): agreement of person.=C2=A0 Many you's are dying, becaus=
e of one you.=C2=A0 Need these agree in Klingon, or does it allow the flexi=
bility of addressing the different groups? (I ask because I couldn't fi=
nd anything related to clause-person agreement in the TKD).</span><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div></div></div></div><br></div></=
div></div>
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