[102533] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] meme question
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karen Alessio)
Mon Nov 23 08:17:49 2015
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmP3BziRGyGFhsYKHxW_g5NdoVfvFpDUWnyFtHFBo0eTtA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 08:17:32 -0500
From: Karen Alessio <karenalessio@gmail.com>
To: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
Cc: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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thanks! :)
I assume the linguist way to look at it is that since sentences with neH
are probably so common that the 'e' eventually dropped out over time to be
quicker... fictional evidence of language drift.
Pretty cool.
On Nov 23, 2015 3:58 AM, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 11, 2015 9:13 PM, "Karen Alessio" <karenalessio@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, so I saw this Worf meme on the KLI facebook page, and I have a
> newbie
> >> grammar question.
> >> I hope I can send an attachment to the mailing list. Sorry that it may
> >> seem like a weird topic, talking about lovers and all, it was just the
> >> grammar confused me.
> >>
> >> The phrase in question is written as "parmaqqaywI' SoH vIneH",
> >> however I would like to know if maybe it would be more correct as
> >> "parmaqqaywI' SoH 'e' vIneH" with something like 'e' there to mark the
> >> depenant clause?
> > oops I didnt put KLBC in the subject!
>
> Did anyone answer this? I think maybe 'arHa missed it because the
> subject didn't say [KLBC]. Since it's been more than a week, .
>
> See section 6.2.5 of The Klingon Dictionary: "When the verb of the
> second sentence is {neH} 'want', neither {'e'} nor {net} is used, but
> the construction is otherwise identical to that just described."
>
> (As for why {neH} is such a special verb, that has to do with the
> director of Star Trek III wanting to change the meaning of a line
> which had already been filmed. That story's been told on this mailing
> list hundreds of times by now, although maybe someone will want to
> tell it again.)
>
> --
> De'vID
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">thanks! :)<br>
I assume the linguist way to look at it is that since sentences with neH ar=
e probably so common that the 'e' eventually dropped out over time =
to be quicker... fictional evidence of language drift.<br>
Pretty cool.</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Nov 23, 2015 3:58 AM, "De'vID" =
<<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">> On =
Nov 11, 2015 9:13 PM, "Karen Alessio" <<a href=3D"mailto:karen=
alessio@gmail.com">karenalessio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Ok, so I saw this Worf meme on the KLI facebook page, and I have a=
newbie<br>
>> grammar question.<br>
>> I hope I can send an attachment to the mailing list. Sorry that it=
may<br>
>> seem like a weird topic, talking about lovers and all, it was just=
the<br>
>> grammar confused me.<br>
>><br>
>> The phrase in question is written as "parmaqqaywI' SoH vI=
neH",<br>
>> however I would like to know if maybe it would be more correct as<=
br>
>> "parmaqqaywI' SoH 'e' vIneH" with something =
like 'e' there to mark the<br>
>> depenant clause?<br>
> oops I didnt put KLBC in the subject!<br>
<br>
Did anyone answer this? I think maybe 'arHa missed it because the<br>
subject didn't say [KLBC]. Since it's been more than a week, .<br>
<br>
See section 6.2.5 of The Klingon Dictionary: "When the verb of the<br>
second sentence is {neH} 'want', neither {'e'} nor {net} is=
used, but<br>
the construction is otherwise identical to that just described."<br>
<br>
(As for why {neH} is such a special verb, that has to do with the<br>
director of Star Trek III wanting to change the meaning of a line<br>
which had already been filmed. That story's been told on this mailing<b=
r>
list hundreds of times by now, although maybe someone will want to<br>
tell it again.)<br>
<br>
--<br>
De'vID<br>
</blockquote></div>
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