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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] KLBC : Sentences as objects
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Wed Nov 18 16:03:11 2015
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 23:02:54 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
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it just occured to me ; I forgot the {Su-}.. Hoch Sujangmo' Savan.
wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS.
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:34 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:29 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS.
>>
>> qunnoQ
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I=E2=80=99ve proven many times the poor quality of my memory, particula=
rly when
>>> relating to the questions =E2=80=9Cwho, what, when, where=E2=80=9D, tho=
ugh I tend to better
>>> remember =E2=80=9Chow=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cwhy=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=
=99t have your phonographic memory.
>>>
>>> What I remember about the interview was that we tried to avoid talking
>>> much about the language before or after the interview specifically to a=
void
>>> the situation that we seem to be in right now. We both wanted everythin=
g
>>> said to be in the interview, available to the most people and not some =
kind
>>> of insider info. I didn=E2=80=99t want to come out of the rare opportun=
ity of
>>> talking with him with any information that didn=E2=80=99t get shared in=
HolQeD.
>>>
>>> That I said, =E2=80=9CAnd a typical direct object of {ja=E2=80=99} woul=
d be the person
>>> addressed and a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing y=
ou
>>> say,=E2=80=9D suggests that either he had told me about this earlier in=
the
>>> interview or before the interview, as I suspect, or, as you suggest, I =
made
>>> it up and tried to get him to ascribe to my theory. That was not my goa=
l,
>>> though this was a lot of years ago. Maybe I was that pushy and shallow
>>> then, but I doubt it.
>>>
>>> I don=E2=80=99t think I did a lot of leading the witness in the intervi=
ew. I
>>> tried hard not to. More than that, I tried to bring up points that he w=
ould
>>> either accept, reject, or better explain.
>>>
>>> I don=E2=80=99t have the interview with me just now. Let me look at it =
again and
>>> see if I can be more specific, though I trust that you=E2=80=99ve alrea=
dy been
>>> through it and there=E2=80=99s probably nothing to find.
>>>
>>> What I do remember was being taken aback by the statement that the two
>>> verbs were different in nature. It prompted me to ask if there were a
>>> similar difference in the verbs for asking...
>>>
>>> pItlh
>>> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 18, 2015, at 2:11 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/18/2015 2:01 PM, Will Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> He said that the direct object of {ja=E2=80=99} was the person or perso=
ns
>>> being addressed, hence {ja=E2=80=99chuq} being translated as =E2=80=9Cd=
iscuss=E2=80=9D
>>> because it involves people telling each other something.
>>>
>>>
>>> If he ever said this, it never entered the canon. Was this something he
>>> said to you personally, or was it part of an interview or a published
>>> source? I remember in your HolQeD interview with him on the topic YOU m=
ade
>>> this claim to HIM, but he didn't say anything about it.
>>>
>>> =3D=3D
>>> WM: Are there any other verbs of speech that you would care to
>>> comment on?
>>>
>>> MO: Are there any other verbs of speech?
>>>
>>> WM: And a typical direct object of {ja'} would be the person addressed
>>> and a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you say.
>>>
>>> MO: The speech event.
>>>
>>> WM: I like that term.
>>>
>>> MO: Including a direct quote. I'm telling a story. He "blah, blah, blah=
"
>>> {jatlh}.
>>>
>>> --
>>> SuStel
>>> http://trimboli.name
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">it just occured to me ; I forgot the {Su-}..=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Hoch Sujangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQo=
ngnIS. <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:34 PM, qunnoQ HoD <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></=
span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"im HOEnZb"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQo=
ngnIS</div></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:29 PM, =
qunnoQ HoD <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInm=
eyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS.<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br><br></font></s=
pan></div><span><font color=3D"#888888">qunnoQ<br></font></span></div><div>=
<div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov =
18, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Will Martin <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:lo=
jmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</a>>=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:b=
reak-word"><div>I=E2=80=99ve proven many times the poor quality of my memor=
y, particularly when relating to the questions =E2=80=9Cwho, what, when, wh=
ere=E2=80=9D, though I tend to better remember =E2=80=9Chow=E2=80=9D and =
=E2=80=9Cwhy=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t have your phonographic memory.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>What I remember about the interview was that we tried t=
o avoid talking much about the language before or after the interview speci=
fically to avoid the situation that we seem to be in right now. We both wan=
ted everything said to be in the interview, available to the most people an=
d not some kind of insider info. I didn=E2=80=99t want to come out of the r=
are opportunity of talking with him with any information that didn=E2=80=99=
t get shared in HolQeD.</div><div><br></div><div>That I said, =E2=80=9CAnd =
a typical direct object of {ja=E2=80=99} would be the person addressed and =
a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you say,=E2=80=9D s=
uggests that either he had told me about this earlier in the interview or b=
efore the interview, as I suspect, or, as you suggest, I made it up and tri=
ed to get him to ascribe to my theory. That was not my goal, though this wa=
s a lot of years ago. Maybe I was that pushy and shallow then, but I doubt =
it.</div><div><br></div><div>I don=E2=80=99t think I did a lot of leading t=
he witness in the interview. I tried hard not to. More than that, I tried t=
o bring up points that he would either accept, reject, or better explain.</=
div><div><br></div><div>I don=E2=80=99t have the interview with me just now=
. Let me look at it again and see if I can be more specific, though I trust=
that you=E2=80=99ve already been through it and there=E2=80=99s probably n=
othing to find.</div><div><br></div><div>What I do remember was being taken=
aback by the statement that the two verbs were different in nature. It pro=
mpted me to ask if there were a similar difference in the verbs for asking.=
..</div><span><br><div>
<span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvet=
ica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing=
:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-tra=
nsform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div>pItlh</div><div>lojmI=
t tI'wI'nuv</div><div><br></div></span><br>
</div>
<br></span><div><div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 18, 2015, a=
t 2:11 PM, SuStel <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_bl=
ank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>On 11/18/2015 2:01 P=
M, Will Martin wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">He said that the direct =
object of {ja=E2=80=99} was the person or persons<br>being addressed, hence=
{ja=E2=80=99chuq} being translated as =E2=80=9Cdiscuss=E2=80=9D<br>because=
it involves people telling each other something.<br></blockquote><br>If he=
ever said this, it never entered the canon. Was this something he said to =
you personally, or was it part of an interview or a published source? I rem=
ember in your HolQeD interview with him on the topic YOU made this claim to=
HIM, but he didn't say anything about it.<br><br>=3D=3D<br>WM: Are the=
re any other verbs of speech that you would care to<br> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0c=
omment on?<br><br>MO: Are there any other verbs of speech?<br><br>WM: And a=
typical direct object of {ja'} would be the person addressed and a typ=
ical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you say.<br><br>MO: The =
speech event.<br><br>WM: I like that term.<br><br>MO: Including a direct qu=
ote. I'm telling a story. He "blah, blah, blah" {jatlh}.<br><=
br>-- <br>SuStel<br><a href=3D"http://trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">http=
://trimboli.name</a><br><br><br>___________________________________________=
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